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<zimoun>rekado, having a better story for OpenStack and Guix would be great. :-) <rekado>I wished we GNU Assembly folks had enough drive to do something with it. <rekado>I think it speaks to the aimlessness of GNU <rekado>it’s a little tragic because when Guix was “the GNU system” I felt that finally GNU had purpose again <rekado>the close integration of GNU packages never came to fruition for a lack of enthusiasm on the GNU side <rekado>(remember lsh instead of openssh…?) <zimoun>well, at some points, it appears to me hard to speak about GNU because it is not well-defined… it is a “vague“ project as some federation of several projects agreeing more or less on some common aims, but applying different policies. <zimoun>GNU Assembly appears to me as a way to give more structure of this federation. <rekado>the shepherd got a happy ending, and it’s nice that we use mcron, but overall I feel that the lack of response from other GNU packages has been rather cold. <rekado>‘structure’, sure, but without aims and processes it’s got nowhere to go <rekado>is the GNU Assembly going to approve new GNU packages? <rekado>is it ever going to be in actual defiance of the rms-GNU? <zimoun>I do not know. Well, I never thought about this. :-) From my perspective, all the layers of GNU history are too heavy. <zimoun>So it is really hard to have a coherence and collaboration between all the already existing parts. <rekado>too many GNU packages have moved on <zimoun>GCC is a big question. Couple of Guix Days ago, Mark was there and what I remember is: if RedHat changes their mind and stop their support, GCC will be dead… and that support switch could be happen. <drakonis>gcc is largely kept alive by the linux kernel's continued existence <drakonis>but the most recent gcc updates have been quite significant improvements <drakonis>perhaps the inclusion of rust support in gcc will help <zimoun>yeah I agree that Rust is also something. :-) <rekado>one thing that might be helpful for GNU Assembly would be to have regular meetups. <zimoun>Yeah, maybe. Well, personally I am already enough busy with Guix. ;-) (We are trying to have regular meetups, at least in Paris :-)) <zimoun>Guix Europe is also another piece that needs love <3 <rekado>yeah, obviously, I cannot make any such demands as my traveling days seem to be over <rekado>hell, I barely even have enough brains left to work on Guix <rekado>(beyond pure maintenance work that seems to be consuming me) <rekado>‘This article has tried to distill the important issues out of a discussion that was loud, contentious, and bordered on physical violence at one point.’ <rekado>efraim: I rebased rust-team and pushed a commit to disable the failing tests <rekado>now I’m builing rust 1.67.1 again on aarch64 <drakonis>what are the goals of the gnu assembly and how does it plan to achieve these? <drakonis>its a silly question given that the goals are in the website, however there's not much on how it would actually achieve these goals <drakonis>because the fsf and gnu project have spent a lot of energy pursuing the ghosts of another era <drakonis>or well, the leadership i suppose, not always the developers of the project <drakonis>its more like a long tail of decisions that went against the long term interest of the project <drakonis>i also would like to know when is it going to actually defy rms-gnu <rekado>drakonis: the GNU Assembly is the subset of GNU maintainers that agree to these common goals and ideals <rekado>they may seem pretty uncontroversial, but GNU maintainers are not held to these ideals <rekado>the assumption with the GNU Assembly is that even a minimal social contract is required for any collaborative project