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<civodul>zimoun: heh, fun :-)
<civodul>everything Bellard does is so impressive
*civodul -> zZz
<civodul>thanks for chiming in, todd_!
<civodul>good night/evening everyone
<efraim>anyone know if its possible to see conda build recipies?
<civodul>efraim: there's a link in the update on conda-forge in the blog post
<civodul>my understanding is that before conda-forge, things were decentralized: you could have recipes that you'd keep for yourself
<civodul>rekado_: i can spend a bit of time answering a couple of points on birdsite if you want
<rekado_>that would be great
<rekado_>I’m out for a couple of appointments today and wouldn’t be able to do that even if I knew how to write :)
<civodul>though if you don't know how to write, then i don't even know how to type :-)
<rekado_>hah, i actually don’t know how to type these days! I finally got around to setting up the keyboardio variant of the Atreus keyboard with home row modifiers… what a ride!
<civodul>woow, sounds sophisticated
*civodul is on a basic Dell keyboard with us-intl layout, not very hacker-looking
<rekado_>my wrists are a bit sensitive ever since I switched to using these laptop keyboards. I have the kinesis advantage2 from work, but I don’t have enough space on my desk, so I’m trying to get used to this small atreus instead.
<civodul>oh i see
<civodul>rekado_: done, but do chime in as you see fit!
<PurpleSym>rekado_: I see a few packages in bioinformatics.scm use pandoc-citeproc. Do you know whether they manually invoke citeproc or just use it via pandoc? I’m going to remove pandoc-citeproc, since it’s deprecated.
<PurpleSym>(…and it does not build with my updates.)
<rekado_>PurpleSym: at least PiGx explicitly looks for pandoc-citeproc. That’s because pandoc complained if it wasn’t there. But I don’t think PiGx explicitly *calls* pandoc-citeproc.
<zimoun>The discussion of yesterday evening remembered me this <>. Chapter 1 and Section 2.3 are worth to read, IMHO. It sets a framework which helps; at least helped me. :-)
<zimoun>And is Guix somehow a Monad? ;-)
<civodul>now this is getting scientific! :-)
<civodul>zimoun: this paper looks interesting
<civodul>how do you always find those nice references?
<dstolfa>zimoun: spivak has other pretty good introductory books and even recorded lectures
<dstolfa>would recommend
<dstolfa>re guix being a monad: maybe, in some obscure undefined k-category (:
<dstolfa>let's not get carried away
<zimoun>civodul: I procrastinate too much ;-)
<civodul>that's fruitful too, apparently!
<zimoun>not always the opinion of partner :-)
<rekado_>today I’ll try to figure out what to do about my rserver patches.
<zimoun>dstolfa: yeah for sure. :-) Although I think this functional hygiene Guix provide is under represented and for me it has been a blow-up. Maybe my «monad is burrito» fallacy. ;-)
<rekado_>there’s a bug: when rserver runs as root it won’t actually use the target user’s session to determine the R version; it uses the root user’s configuration (which likely doesn’t even exist).
<dstolfa>zimoun: i understand the temptation to think of these things in a structured way, i'm just more of a formal person that would like a, well, formal definition of things without any handwaving. e.g. a claim "guix is a monad" has to define the monad fully, and ideally find the adjunction that corresponds to it (with the definition of the categories)
<dstolfa>i see too many things claim they are something only to fall apart when i try to use them as such
<dstolfa>haskell is a notable example
<zimoun>dstolfa, I agree. Otherwise, we fall into <> :-)
<civodul>there's a couple of interesting comments at
<rekado_>PurpleSym: the rstudio-server package uses ghc-pandoc instead of pandoc.
<rekado_>this leads to a really large closure.
<rekado_>should work to use the static pandoc package instead.
<nckx>dstolfa: As someone with Haskell on the perennial ‘things I want to try when I have the time’ list (which I never do), your ‘notable example’ comment intrigues me. Care to elaborate? How does it fall short of what?
<dstolfa>nckx: Andrej Bauer's write-up on this is pretty good:
<rekado_>PurpleSym: I’m trying to run rserver from a git checkout, built within a Guix environment
<rekado_>it keeps complaining about a missing database table
<rekado_>it creates the database just fine, but it doesn’t seem to contain everything
<rekado_>does this ring a bell?
<rekado_>fixed it
<rekado_>needed to copy the database migration file to the “db” directory relative to the current working directory