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<rekado>finished the slides:
<zimoun>civodul: yes, I can give a try for the HPC report this year :-)
<zimoun>rekado: about service and pack, we discussed with mothacehe last year at FOSDEM exactly this. Well, his views were about images and mine about packages. Somehow, it is similar: provide a file (manifest or operating system) and return an (docker or board) image or tarball. Well, Mathieu or I have been postponing because of the Web UI frontend… Anyway, this service could be awesome! :-)
<zimoun>civodul: I do not see the use case for Nixery… personally.
<zimoun>rekado: your presentation looks really great! Well, the visuals are really nice.
<civodul>oh the presentation is already visible?
<civodul>zimoun: the thing generates Docker images for the packages you give
<zimoun>but already based on Docker images
<civodul>what do you mean?
<zimoun>it use a Docker image to generate another Docker image. But I could have missed something.
<civodul>my understanding is that it generates Docker images exclusively using Nixpkgs
<civodul>layered images
<zimoun>ah yeah, you have right. Big player, it is sponsored by Google: «// Copyright 2019 Google LLC» :-)
<civodul>rekado: BTW, any news from Twitter?
<civodul>i heard "someone else" had their account blocked
<civodul>but at least they know why
<rekado>civodul: no news from Twitter. They must be too busy with their purge and all the appeals. Now is a bad time to contest account suspension, I think.
<rekado>I trying to record the video for my talk, but I really don’t have a suitable setup for this. I’ll just record video for the intro and outro to simplify things.
<civodul>i did the whole thing live but the result is probably not as good as it could be
<civodul>it's a tradeoff!
<rekado>I’ve got a headache and the longer this takes the more self conscious I become… I’m beginning to think that maybe this was a mistake… :)
<civodul>i've been through that and that's in part why i set myself a hard deadline
<civodul>so i can only cheer you, you're almost done, be brave! :-)
<rekado>yes, I’ll finish this tonight
<rekado>thanks for tolerating my whininess :)
<civodul> <- to give you an idea of how professional my setup was
<rekado>I should get myself a UML book to replace this wobbly tripod I have.
<civodul>heheh, i had forgotten i had such a thing, and i'm glad i've finally put it too good use
<civodul>there was also a natural language processing book (from my partner)
<civodul>i didn't dare put my Guile 2.0 Reference Manual there, it would have been unreasonable
<zimoun>civodul: you setup looks like using Pléiade books ? :-)
<civodul>heh, but these are much less fancy :-)
<zimoun>for the HPC report, do I send email on guix-science or simply to the usual suspect for the first round ?
<civodul>prolly the usual suspects first
*rekado renders the video
<rekado>I’m surprised that blender does so poorly when given a very simple video to render.
<rekado>most of the video is static images. I would have thought it would have some fancy optimizations to cut down on render times, but that’s not the case.
<rekado>this will probably take another hour or so
<civodul>woow, you're a pro, bro
<rekado>pro bro no
<rekado>I gave up on my original plan of interspersing little video chunks in between slides after re-recording the same first two sentences for over an hour…
<rekado>so now it’s just an intro video, lots of slides with audio, and an outro video
<rekado>not my proudest accomplishment, but I was never comfortable with video editing anyway, so that’s not unexpected.
<rekado>I’m just glad it’s over.
<civodul>i'm sure it'll rock, as always :-)
<rekado>aw, you’re the best cheerleader :)
<civodul>anyway congrats for completing!
<rekado>now comes the next task: implementing the features that I mention in the video
<rekado>I say that the GWL inherits the ability to bundle up whole workflows (like ‘guix pack’); I should implement this before the video goes live.
<civodul>but how can it possibly work? :-)
<civodul>it has to interact with the job scheduler, right?
<bavier[m]>I like packs, but after using a bunch of them over many months, I kinda wish we had a sort of "pack manager".
<civodul>bavier[m]: sorta like a pack(age) manager? :-)
<bavier[m]>lol, right! :)
<civodul>but yeah, i see what you mean
<civodul>also what rekado wrote on the ML a while ago
<civodul>it's kinda weird: it's tempting to go beyond the simple one-shot usage
*bavier[m] hasn't been able to keep up on the ML for a bit
<civodul>but then you'd need additional tools to make that viable
<civodul>and at that point you might just as well want to run Guix
<rekado>civodul: it would be all the generated job scripts, all the packages referenced by processes, and (a part of) the GWL itself to launch and inspect the thing.
<bavier[m]>I've written a few simple scripts to help with upgrades and gc and such.
<civodul>rekado: i see, makes sense!
<civodul>bavier[m]: did you try running guix-daemon from a -RR pack? would that be helpful for your use cases?
<rekado>I dreamed about it and thought that this could be expanded to produce workflows-as-applications much like PiGx tries to be.
<rekado>whenever I feel tempted to use more than one pack I think I should install Guix instead.
<rekado>it would be nice if packs could be generated in cooperation with a remote $prefix/gnu/store
<rekado>so… really just ‘guix copy’
<civodul>if adjusting "guix copy" to cope with that can be done without too much trouble, that sounds like a good path to explore
<civodul>IWBN to have a proper "store" abstraction in Guix
<civodul>sub-classes, methods...
<bavier[m]>huh,no, I hadn't though of trying to run the daemon from a pack
<rekado>sneak peek:
<rekado>I just uploaded the rendered video to Penta
<rekado>the audio is a little … muffled sometimes, probably because I wasn’t very careful with lv2-speech-denoiser; was necessary because of very noticeable background noise, though.