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<daviid>lilyp: it occurs to me that on their - https://www.gtk.org/docs/language-bindings/ - page, we're still missing an entry for Guile, that would link to the G-Golf project page, checking both their v3 and v4 'boxes'

<lilyp>ah, that'd be the index or smth, haven't worked on that

<daviid>lilyp: as time allows, it'd be nice to ask/patch that page to ... thanks

<wakyct>hey if dthompson is in the house, I was looking at the Guile Hoot template on itch and wondering if you use that with a repl running? Or more typically edit -> compile -> run?

<wakyct>or to rephrase is it set up for live reloading

<lilyp>p sure it can do live reload

<abcdw>why `(tree-il->scheme (macroexpand `(define* (hello #:key (a 12)) 'yo)))` expands to (define* (hello #:key (a 12 #:a)) (quote yo)) and not (define something) ?

<dthompson>wakyct: we're not there yet re: live hacking with hoot. for now you recompile and reload the page.

<dthompson>I think the path is roughly: get the syntax expander working, get an interpreter, get a repl server, get the compiler. will be awhile yet.

<old>Is there a good resource to learn CPS and its usage for compilation?

<flatwhatson>old: https://mumble.net/~kelsey/kelsey-diss-2012.pdf

<flatwhatson>also the "Compiling with Continuations" book by Andrew Appel

<old>flatwhatson: thanks. Any resource for using Guile CPS soup to generate custom bytecodes, like hoot target WASM ?

<old>I guess I could go read the hoot source code for that

<flatwhatson>kelsey's dissertation is about lowering to machine code, WASM isn't so different, but yeah i'm sure reading hoot would be worth doing

<dthompson>as someone that works on hoot, I still don't grok all the cps stuff going on it. :)

<dthompson>I understand at a high level and I am better at reading cps than ever before, but it's challenging stuff

<dthompson>reading through the dumped cps output of small programs can be helpful

<old>dthompson: sounds like a nice subject for a blog post :-)

<old>I'll have a peek at Hoot for unmangling that CPS soup then

<dthompson>some of the shorter optimization passes in guile itself might be good, too

<dthompson>I wish there were better materials for learning guile cps though

<dthompson>I'm not really the one to be teaching it

<dthompson>I just poke and prod

<old>wingo: then :-)

<ano>what's the canonical way to define multi vars in one exp, (define-values (VAR1 VAR2 ...) (values VAL1 VAL2 ...)) ?

<shawnw>That's how I'd do it.

<mwette>re guile cps: I worked on this a bit ago. Simple example in https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/nyacc.git/tree/examples/nyacc/lang/calc/compiler.scm

<mwette>I used this a lot, IIRC: https://paste.debian.net/1316826/

<dthompson>that's cool mwette!

<mwette>ty

<old>mwette: thx. I'm starting to have too many tabs to read ^^

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