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<dthompson>@ and @@ are best avoided if possible. :)

<jpoiret>sometimes it's the only entry point to debugging non-exported functions unfortunately

<jpoiret>I wish ",m" would let you use unexported functions

<dthompson>I kinda wish you *couldn't* reach into modules like this

<dthompson>breaks encapsulation, prevents security between modules, etc.

<dthompson>that said I use @@ in my own libraries to use private APIs that I don't want to export lest I encourage users to use them

<dthompson>an ocap secure module system would allow attenuating the api for different purposes.

<pinoaffe>jpoiret: huh, I thought ,m did allow you to use unexported functions

<apteryx>pinoaffe: I think it does[/

<apteryx>?

<apteryx>when I build emacsy against guile 3 (http://paste.debian.net/1304687/) it gives me 3 failures: https://paste.centos.org/view/54ef942e

<apteryx>using the latest commit from master

<apteryx>old: except... I think, monotonic in guile is not real monotonic

<apteryx>I think there's a comment about it somewhere

<old>apteryx: you're right. it is actually CLOCK_TAI according to doc

<old>why si that

<old>that's just weird. Monotonic is the simplest clock ..

<old>eh missing converter from monotonic to other clock

<old>since 2001

<apteryx>perhaps check if it's not already been fixed on guile-devel mail archives

<apteryx>ACTION pushes an updated guile-hall package to guix

<apteryx>unrelated, the 'reuse' Python package to annotate sources with SPDX now better supports Lisp/Scheme in its 3.0.1 version

<optimal>hey y'all - i've been trying to use GStreamer through G-Golf, but gst-init gets me some very weird errors.

<optimal>here is the log: https://dpaste.org/fEGMT

<optimal>it seems to be hitting some unreachable code, so i investigated, and it seems to hit that part when the `bin` and `pipeline` elements aren't registered

<optimal>the gstreamer function in question: https://dpaste.org/EoWHo

<optimal>whoops, forgot to enable syntax highlighting on that paste, here's one with it enabled: https://dpaste.org/D3jQ2

<graywolf>Hi :) Where I could find more about module-submodules? It does not seem to be documented, and I do not understand how it works. It keeps missing some modules until I load them manually: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1304719

<jpoiret>pinoaffe: probably they got inlined during the optimization pass then

<pinoaffe>yeah

<graywolf>Sorry for repeated question, just trying my luck one more time...

<mwette>I could find the definition of module-submodules in the guile sources. I do see it is used. There is a comment in ice-9/boot-9.scm.

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