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<jlicht>Are there load order guarantees for "#:use-module" when using `define-module'?

<flatwhatson>jlicht: they're imported in order if that's what you're asking

<jlicht>(I know there currently is an order; I'm wondering whether I should feel free to depend on this order not changing)

<jlicht>flatwhatson: cool, thanks!

<flatwhatson>depend on it how?

<flatwhatson>i think it's safe to assume later imports will override conflicting defs from earlier imports

<flatwhatson>but if you're relying on load-time side effects in those modules, that's a bad idea

<flatwhatson>better than having conflicting imports is to explicitly disambiguate with select/rename/prefix

<jlicht>One particular import tweaks the load-path (in an intended way), so it's pretty relevant that the order I see is the order I get.

<old>jlicht: I personnaly alway do my import alphabetically

<old>Thus, not relying on any explicit order

<flatwhatson>jlicht: for load-path, IMO it's generally better to do this in a top-level script

<flatwhatson>that said, (gnu packages) from guix relies on load-time manipulation of %load-path

<dsmith-work>sneek, have a botsnack

<sneek>:)

<cwebber> https://spritely.institute/news/andy-wingo-leads-g2W.html

<cwebber>:D

<dsmith-work>Woo. Wingo ASM

<haugh>WOW

<drakonis>the future is NOW

<old>we've entered a new age

<old>Guile is the new javascript

<BitPuffin>cwebber: that is exciting news!

<drakonis>we have come full circl

<drakonis>full circle at last.

<drakonis>a scheme on the browser

<BitPuffin>yes

<BitPuffin>guile is the extension language of the web

<drakonis>to be fair, i was thinking more of how js started as scheme

<old>next step is linux kernel in pre-scheme

<Zelphir>Brendan Eich can rest in piece, knowing, that the wrongs inflicted upon the world, will be righted.

<drakonis>the next step is making a kernel derived language with scheme

<mwette> so guile will also move (at least some stuff) to WASI

<BitPuffin>did eich die?

<Zelphir>No

<drakonis>no eich is still alive

<Zelphir>I should have written: "Will be able to rest in piece"

<Zelphir>Or something like that.

<BitPuffin>more like rest in homophobia

<BitPuffin>anyway

<dthompson>we will have a capabilities oriented microkernel in 2025 ;)

<dthompson>written in pre-scheme

<BitPuffin>I wanted to watch the fosdem pre-scheme talk but mime memes

<BitPuffin>was especially excited since I was messing a bit with pre-scheme

<BitPuffin>or have been, maybe a year ago

<dthompson>all the online talk videos had some sort of issue and they were all taken down.

<BitPuffin>do you think they'll be restored?

<dthompson>not sure what the issue was but several people watched part of the prescheme talk and it was fine as far as they could tell

<dthompson>BitPuffin: I really hope so!

<dthompson>but who knows when

<BitPuffin>is it technical or some weird copyright crap

<dthompson>I really don't know

<BitPuffin>yeah felt kinda bad linking the prescheme talk to a friend who was also excited about prescheme before I realized the video doesn't work

<dthompson>there are several videos I'd like to watch once everything is uploaded.

<BitPuffin>right

<dthompson>just my luck, some of the ones I watched live are available but none of the ones I missed are. :)

<BitPuffin>yeah was pretty happy to stumble upon the archive since it wasn't on typical vid sites but then immediately sad when the videos didn't work

<BitPuffin>haha that's pretty bad luck

<BitPuffin>wingo talk was available though so that was nice

<dthompson>that's the one I made sure to watch live

<dthompson>most of the online sessions were streamed too early for my timezone

<drakonis>same

<drakonis>i'm just disappointed at how long its taking to get the online sessions up

<wingo>meep

<dsmith-work>wingo: Just got done watching your talk. Do I understand correctly that the wasm work will eventually lead to Guile native executables?

<dsmith-work>(Great talk too!)

<wingo>dsmith-work: (tx :) humm it's hard to tell! in the sense that guile->wasm leads to guile running without libguile, maybe. there are similar whole-program-compilation concerns there.

<ArneBab>wingo: great news! Congrats on the cool project!

<wingo>tx :0

<wingo>:) rather

<lfam>ACTION another one to say "enjoyed your talk!"

<wingo><3

<jpoiret>i cannot wait for Guix to run in Electron

<old>jpoiret: Let's not go that way please

<old>I want to keep my sanity intact

<jpoiret>imagine the possibilities: instead of a bitcoin miner, you add a hidden guix build agent on your website

<old>Imagine actually enjoying doing web stuff

<old>that would now be possible :D

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