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<ArneBab>sneek: later tell lisbeths: I’d be careful in evaluating bash: sh is what you get when you seek for a language optimized to calling programs with some arguments — shelling out to them — and systemd did not have to be created because of deficiencies in sh: when systemd got created, Gentoo-people had already implemented OpenRC on top of shell-scripts that provided the same features but in a much cleaner and much better integrated way. A

<ArneBab> runscript-execution environment that provided a small number of additional features needed and they had a clean dependency language that did not need all init scripts to be re-implemented. What an init system does is calling programs. Shell-code is very well suited to that. There are many domains for which shell isn’t suited well, but OpenRC proved that init is not one of them.

<sneek>Okay.

<ArneBab>sneek: botsnack

<sneek>:)

<antipode>Myself, I find bash (and more generally, anything 'sh'-ish) more convenient that lisps for just starting programs -- compare 'guix build foo > log" with (use-modules (guix build utils)) (with-output-to-file "log" (lambda () (invoke "guix" "build" "foo")).

<rekado_>scsh: (run (guix build foo) (> log))

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<mwette>I'm trying to write some macros. I get a "reference to identifier outside its scope in form match-patn" on this: https://paste.debian.net/1253603/ Any ideas?

<mwette>^ never mind. I found it.

<mwette>take that back. I didn't. Still an issue. Only happens when I include the def for `doit'

<mwette>(The procedure sf is defined, just not shown.)

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<dsmith-work>Morning Greetings, Guilers

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<dsmith-work>A pet peeve of mine: "bash" is *not* bourne shell or posix shell.

<dsmith-work>I wish bash documentation would identify bashisms nore clearly.

<unmatched-paren>shellcheck is quite useful for finding bashisms

<dsmith-work>Nice!

<dsmith-work>unmatched-paren: Thanks!

<unmatched-paren>it's a really cool program :)