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<rlb>kinda odd - looks like at least some of the failures are in web-server.test <rlb>Running web-server.test <rlb>ERROR: web-server.test: GET / - arguments: ((system-error "connect" "~A" ("Connection refused") (111))) <rlb>ERROR: web-server.test: GET /latin1 - arguments: ((system-error "connect" "~A" ("Connection refused") (111))) <rlb>We'll need to figure that out before 3.0.8 should migrate to testing. ***alMalsamo is now known as lumberjackimok
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<wingo>civodul: weird. SCM_SIZEOF_LONG seems to be getting set to 8 in that case ? <civodul>the log says "checking size of long... 4" <civodul>i think the LTO logic doesn't work when cross-compiling: we end up using "gcc-objcopy" etc. when it should be "TRIPLET-gcc-objcopy" <wingo>if autotools were maintained this would be automatic ;-) <civodul>i'm building with --disable-lto to see if it helps <civodul>Autoconf saw a couple of releases last year! :-) <civodul>building with --disable-lto doesn't help <blacked>When will GNU guile replace elisp in emacs ? <trofi>is there any active work to do it? <blacked>trofi how about changing elisp to guile ? <pinoaffe>blacked: noone is working on changing elisp to guile <pinoaffe>some people have worked on implementing elisp on top of the guile vm, which would allow for more easy interoperability between elisp and guile <blacked>can i single handedly change elisp to guile? <pinoaffe>blacked: emacs consists of more than a million lines of lisp, and that's just the elisp tree itself, nevermind the countless packages written for emacs in emacs lisp <dsmith>blacked: Go for it! But will probably take about 10-15 years or so. <blacked>I heard that google, had a transpiler that convert all the python code to golang and its real. <pinoaffe>if you want to script emacs in guile, your best bet is running emacs on the guile-based elisp implementation, if/when that works, it should be fairly easy to script emacs in guile or to port specific chunks of elisp to guile <pinoaffe>blacked: yes, compilers that compile one language to another are a thing, they tend to output code that is not particularly readable though <blacked>But what if stallman, changed his mind and singlehandeldy try to change elisp to guile :) <pinoaffe>realistically, that won't happen, and if it did, it'd lead to people forking emacs <blacked>no i mean, he fork emacs, not touching official emacs that is running. offcial will run as today it is <pinoaffe>then probably hardly anything would happen <pinoaffe>I'm personally very excited by the idea of a elisp -> guile bytecode compiler, far much than the idea of an elisp -> guile compiler, but it seems like elisp-on-guile is in a somewhat unstable state and I don't know whether it's being actively developed <blacked>folks, dont hate be but if something not done, guile,lisp,fsf would collapse :( <dsmith>blacked: People have been using emacs for (quessing) 30 years, it's *not* going to go away. <blacked>emacs elisp is the worst programming language, its not usable outside :( in other apps, <dsmith>Emacs lisp grew into what it was to support was was needed in the emacs editor. It's not really a general purpose language. <blacked>so problem is in right there . thats why other got popular, only hacker culture , like myself only know or use of it <blacked>:b i told everyone even my cs project that i use emacs , to feel superior and hacker type <singpolyma>blacked: pretty sure emacs-guile is packaged in guix if you wanna play with it <dsmith>blacked: ?? You should use something because it's useful, not for emotional feelings or as a way to impress people. <blacked>:) primary goal was not to impress people but a different aspect, yes ofcouse it is to look cool but also other like emacs key bindings make it easy , <blacked>also i was thinking what if it was emacs key bindings that bjarne, james gosling, rms , ..... had got sharp mind who knows? <mwette>elisp is dynamically scoped; guile is lexically-scoped, but with fluids <mwette>(or rather scheme is lexically scoped, but guile provides fluids) <blacked>mwette are you willing to convert :/ <pinoaffe>if you want to use emacs, go use emacs, if you don't, don't use emacs <blacked>ok see you have a nice day pinoaffe :) *chrislck goes back to feeding the bot <lilyp>dsmith: Joke's on you, I use Emacs Lisp as a general purpose language. <stis>Tragic times guilers, Tragic times, Everybody Hi! ***EndOfAnEra is now known as DrunkAF