<fnstudio>hi, i'd like to create a simple game-of-life implementation and i was wondering if there was a library to help me with the graphic part <fnstudio>ideally, i'd like this to be as much text-interface oriented as possible <fnstudio>as opposed to a purely graphical library or a game kind of engine <fnstudio>is ncurses something that could be stretched to cover this? (i.e. to display a grid of cells that get coloured alternatively, etc...) <fnstudio>or maybe i should be creative and think of something like... i don't know... exporting to svg every single iteration and then look for a viewer? <fnstudio>chrislck: thanks, what do you think of ncurses for this? too much of a stretch? <fnstudio>RhodiumToad: right... i was thinking that maybe it could be possible to use a large viewport (but maybe i'm wrong) <fnstudio>chrislck: right, XPM would be very straightforward... i refreshed it from my rusty memory with the help of wikipedia <fnstudio>although with svg/xpm/... then i'd need to figure out a tool to visualise things <fnstudio>RhodiumToad: cool, any library in particular that you think i should look at? <fnstudio>just as a first pointer, if you have anything in mind <RhodiumToad>g-golf and (iirc) guile-gi are gobject-introspection libs for guile that let you use gtk etc., or there's the old (but probably still ok for this use) guile-gnome <RhodiumToad>guile-cairo exists for doing stuff with a cairo surface for the actual drawing, or you can use a canvas widget <RhodiumToad>if you're on windows or mac I have no suggestions to offer <fnstudio>RhodiumToad: that's a great tip, excellent, thanks! (and nope, i'm not on win/mac :)) <rlb>Hmm, I thought guile always supported (setlocale ... "ISO-8859-1"), but that's not working here anymore with 3.0.4, i.e. I have to specify "en_US.iso88581" or similar... <rlb>Yeah, maybe that changed here -- for some reason, I'd thought guile special cased that one. <rlb>It'd be handy to have a guaranteed portable "pass through" LC_CTYPE until we really fix the problem. <rlb>(if we don't already) <rlb>And iirc "C" isn't (really) it, since technically it doesn't guarantee that? *rlb is talking about arbitrary binary paths again (wrt context) <rlb>(so you can write portable apps with guile that won't crash on some paths) <daviid>rlb: I think one should always catch the result of setlocale call in an app, and fallback to C, sending a warning to users ... <rlb>maybe in the short run, or just exit with an error, but of course in the longer run, we just need to provide a way to handle binary data. i.e. tar can/should always be able to save/restore the correct paths. <rlb>no matter what locales are available <daviid>hum, is this even possible? but i thought you were talking about a guile app you were developing, that would be available in diff languages ... ***oni_on_ion is now known as oni-on-ion
<rlb>I'm talking about writing any general-purpose filesystem-related utility in guile. I imagine we'll eventually want to do something isomorphic with supporting byte-vectors in addition to strings in all the relevant functions like open, mkdir, etc. (i.e. that, or something functionally equivalent). <rlb>Or rather, one way to do it is to just change all the relevant functions to take a string or a byte-vector. <rlb>But that still leaves questions wrt what functions like readdir should return. <rlb>Anyway, I believe it's been discussed, but not settled. I just thought I had a solid work-around with "iso-8859-1", but may have been relying on something that's changed locally or in debian, i.e. it's not special-cased/guaranteed in guile, apparently. ***berndj-blackout is now known as berndj
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<Zelphir>Hello :) I have a Scheme SRFI question: Why is `first` in srfi-1 but not `rest`? <Zelphir>When I use `first` from srfi-1 and then use `cdr`, it feels a bit uneven. <spk121>i tagged a point release of guile-gi ***Formbi- is now known as Formbi
<Zelphir>(sorry, I wrote in the wrong text input) <RhodiumToad>leoprikler: at least on unix-like filesystems, there is no such thing as "the character encoding of your filesystem" <RhodiumToad>a filename is a nonempty byte string not containing 0x00 or '/' <leoprikler>Well, sure, but filenames are encoded a certain way, usually UTF-8. <leoprikler>If you have a filename that's not UTF-8 and it contains non-ASCII data, tools won't handle that well. <RhodiumToad>and if some program expects filenames to be utf-8, there is still no guarantee that other programs will agree <leoprikler>insane tools such as ls won't display the name you want them to display <RhodiumToad>they will display the bytes of the filename. what that means is not up to them <stis>manumanumanu: back pain blocks me from doing much now ***jboy- is now known as jboy
<stis>but I play a little with riemann's zeta function for fun <Zelphir>Back is like cable tangle – There is not a lot you can do against it. <rekado>there’s no blog post or anything <a_v_p>rekado: Wow, looks nice. :-) <rekado>the motivation is this problem: a motivated person wants to learn Guile. We tell them to use Emacs for the best experience, because it has Geiser. <rekado>The motivated person gets confused by Emacs and stops learning Guile because Emacs needs to be learned first <rekado>manumanumanu: at some point I’d like to make it work without Guix, but… this is so tedious. <rekado>maybe I should just dump a “guix pack” somewhere for download <manumanumanu>not to piss on your hard work. this really looks amazing <a_v_p>The more I work in software development, the more I understand that software must be easy to use to be useful for the end users. <rekado>(I also updated the picture language and documented more shapes) <rekado>I read in the geiser manual that it supports image display for Racket. Then I read the sources and realized that we could make Guile do the same. <rekado>when a value prints as #<Image: /path/to/file.svg> Geiser will replace it with the actual picture. <a_v_p>rekado: Recently I learned (to my surprise) that there is a course based on SICP in our local university (Lobachevsky University). They use Racket in classes. <rekado>the picture language is a collection of sxml functions to generate and compose SVG snippets <rekado>a_v_p: I think Racket is great for teaching <rekado>when I saw the Racket picture language I knew I had to have it for Guile <a_v_p>One UNN student asked me to help with a homework, and I used Emacs/GNU Guile in my examples. ;-) <a_v_p>Yeah, Racket seems to be more user-friendly. I'd love to see Guile develop in that direction a bit. <a_v_p>Thanks for your work on Guile Studio, rekado <a_v_p>Guix is cool, but not so many people use it yet; and usually I recommend Ubuntu when a novice asks me what distro they should choose as the first, just because Ubuntu is IMO friendlier for the users than a great deal of other distributions. <rekado>inside is ./bin/guile-studio, which seems to work fine (haven’t tested all that much) <Zelphir>guile-studio looks great. If I did not have a working Emacs setup with everything I personally need, I would install it right away and try it. Now if only we could expand macros like in Racket, inside guile-studio ... (or can we?) <daviid>spk121: congrat for the guile-gi release! 