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<OrangeShark>amz3: I feel work drains most of my motivation to work on free software project
<amz3>well, I remember some time when I was productive and working and smoking weed
<amz3>I don't think weed qualify as doping ^^'
<amz3>no it's not that
<amz3>Right now, each type I type a line of code, I discover new numerous other lines of code that must be coded
<amz3>Right now, each +time I type a line of code, I discover new numerous other lines of code that must be coded1;5C
<amz3>it's like never ending story
<amz3>so I stop i despair of never fininshing anything good enough
<daviid>amz3: don't be too rude with yourself ...
<amz3>like work is eye opening, you can do crap and make money
<amz3>but free software has more excepectation
<amz3>daviid: sorry, but it's true, i can't fight the sentiment that what I do will never be perfect or good enough
<amz3>that's what is helping me to be lazy in the bad sens
<OrangeShark>amz3: it is a common problem, I always see people asking for advice on how to deal with it.
<amz3>oh
<amz3>it's the blank page issue, but it looks like
<amz3>it's +not the blank page issue, but it looks like
<amz3>Ok, I will look the web for that
<amz3>tx
<OrangeShark>I feel like starting another project too
<rain1>you must work on finishing things
<rain1>if you don't finish anything then working on anything seems pointless, because you know you wont finish it
<longshi>amz3: you gotta power through man
<jralls>spk121: Thanks for the heads up. I'll leave it to you then. We (GnuCash) are using Mingw-w64. We don't need thread support but need a Cygwin-free build so the one in the MSYS2-packages repo doesn't work for us.
<daviid>amz3: we all thin that, not a single human being beleives he/she is perfect
<daviid>*think
<daviid>so, kepp cool! we are discussing here t ask for help, and this channel is very friendly, that is how we progress, and it is never good enough, for all of us, beleive me :)
<daviid>I agree with rain1 though, it is important to finish ..
<daviid>amz3: I did and sometimes read your code, I can see it is a lot better know then a few years before, you see, you made terrific progress
<daviid>and it never ends ...
<daviid>bbl, have to go afk a bit
<nalaginrut>morning guilers~
<OrangeShark>hello everyone
<spk121>So 6 days left in lisp game jam. I figure it will take 2 days to debug, build and package everything, so 4 days left for writing. https://itch.io/jam/lisp-game-jam-2018
<spk121>I'm building off of an interactive fiction engine I had already.
<spk121> http://spikycactus.dnsalias.com/photo/burro_progress.png (I can't test this link from this side of the firewall, so hopefully it works)
<OrangeShark>spk121: it works
<spk121>thanks!
<OrangeShark>wow 133 people joined the lisp game jam?
<ecraven>nice ;)
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<amz3>tx all for the feedback yesterday
<ArneBab>spk121: lisp game jam — damn, I missed that. Do I have to sign up or can I simply submit?
<OrangeShark>ArneBab: there is a join button on the website
<ArneBab>OrangeShark: I found it — thank you!
<daviid>funny, reading the log and I see everthing I wrote yeserday appears twice in the log, I wonder why
<daviid>amz3: for info, we don't have gtk3 bindings (yet), and guile-clutter does not use gtk at all, it has its own scene, precisely not to depend on gtk ... so foliot uses guile-gnome, which binds a very old version of gtk still ... I'm saying this not to spread 'false hope' to new comers asking for gtk3 bindings ...
<daviid>those who wants to have clutter and gtk need clutter-gtk, but we don't have bindigs either
<daviid>and I do not recommand someone to embark on ffi bindings for gtk3, whithout glib and gobject it won't allow much ... and the path is introspection, anything else will ask for far too much work, imo
<daviid>I need to find the time to work on G-Golf, but in the mean time one of us could try to make sbank work for guile (it is meant to work with guile (to), but iirc it just need a tiny bit of love :) ... sbank uses message passing (invoke) G-Golf uses (will use) goops, which is exactly why I strated G-Golf (among other reasons)
<daviid>sbank is here: https://github.com/rotty/sbank.git