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<dustyweb> https://gitlab.com/dustyweb/guile-csexps

<cmaloney>\\o/

<dustyweb>needs better docs and a Real Release(TM) but I think the README explains the rationale well

<cmaloney>Yeah, it's mostly clear

<cmaloney>though my mind kept saying "JUST USE JSON"

<dustyweb>for binary data? :)

<cmaloney>Yes

<cmaloney>#\\7FFF#\\8FFF

<cmaloney>;)

<dustyweb>heh

<dustyweb>one nice thing about this library also

<dustyweb>though I haven't demo'ed it yet in the docs

<dustyweb>is you can describe how to transform something like a srfi-9 record or a goops class

<dustyweb>and it'll recursively package it all up

<dustyweb>and unpack it back

<cmaloney>Oh, nice

<cmaloney>ACTION thinks of pickling data. ;)

<dustyweb>yes, except less dangerous :)

<dustyweb>when you set up a serializer here you're explicitly describing how it works

<dustyweb>though there are some lazy procedures to make describing that in just a couple of lines very easy

<dustyweb>more to come anyway

<cmaloney>iirc Python Pickling is essentialy a memory dump, no?

<dustyweb>yup

<dustyweb>also not safe to send across the wire because of it

<cmaloney>Yeah

<cmaloney>which is why we json all the things.

<cmaloney>except dates

<cmaloney>because JavaScript

<dustyweb>the pain of not knowing whether or not a field was a uri or a string in json-ld is partly what kept me thinking about canonical s-exps

<dustyweb>you have to expand it out to its unambiguous form

<dustyweb>and then you aren't really working on json anymore

<cmaloney>Yeah

<dustyweb>however

<cmaloney>The sad thing about XML is you can spec that nonsense. The sad thing about JSON is you can't.

<dustyweb>json has a nice feature in that it provides a few core types and it's easy to parse for pretty much everywhere

<dustyweb>json is a good lowest common denominator

<dustyweb>but when you want more than that, it gets a bit irritating

<cmaloney>Right, save for when you have to ensure type-safety

<cmaloney>Funnily enough a friend was lamenting a situation where he was passing XML somewhere

<cmaloney>and it screamed "USE SOAP / WSDL"

<cmaloney>and naturally they weren't using it

<cmaloney>crazy-making

<cmaloney>They had to install some black-box tech that would say whether the XML was passing or non-passing

<dustyweb>SXML is really nice in scheme-land

<dustyweb>though

<dustyweb>also not good for binary data either

<cmaloney>XML is terrible for binary data

<dustyweb>and you can't write an xml parser in 150 lines of code :)

<cmaloney>God no. It's like parsing an email address using regex. ;)

<dustyweb>I wrote the csexp reader/writer both in 150 SLOC

<cmaloney>w00t

<dustyweb>largely inspired by davexunit's json stuff :)

<dustyweb>of course in csexp you need to make sure that both sides know how to interpret type stuff the same way

<dustyweb>which is fine if you've just got pretty much the same two programs running, but if you want somthing more complicated... that's another layer to implement

<dustyweb>but for what I wanted it for it's not a big deal

<cmaloney>Yeah, that's cool

<str1ngs>hello, I'm messing around with ffi. I'm trying to call the glob libc function. but I'm having trouble figure out how to get the char **gl_pathv field. I can get the int fields but not sure how to handle C string arrays

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<amz3`>tzag

<stis_>hurray, I managed to compile python *arg *kwargs e.g. keyword arguments and optional arguments

<stis_>It's lot of work just to reach somewhat accapteble default python environment.

<dustyweb>o/

<dustyweb>hm, what to use for csv parsing

<dustyweb>I guess https://github.com/NalaGinrut/guile-csv ?

<dustyweb> https://github.com/NalaGinrut/guile-csv/commits/master not sure what's going on in these recent commits, looks like nala removed the automake stuff(?)

<hooverville>dustyweb: i struggled with finding a csv parser that fit my needs earlier in the year. Someone in this channel pointed/provided me with an older module neil van dyke wrote for racket, before it required other racket modules

<ArneBab_>dustyweb: I’m currently using guive-csv, but not for anything performance critical

<dustyweb>hooverville: ArneBab_: thanks for the feedback

<dustyweb>ACTION packages for guix

<ArneBab_>it works pretty well, gives me lists like (record-1 ((header1 value1) (header2 value2) ...)

<amz3`>what do you use to hash password to store in database?

<dustyweb>amz3`: I can point you what I do if you like

<amz3`>dustyweb: sure

<dustyweb>amz3`: it uses guile-gcrypt

<dustyweb>so you'll need that

<dustyweb>ACTION ought to make a proper release...

<dustyweb>amz3`: https://gitlab.com/dustyweb/pubstrate/blob/master/pubstrate/webapp/auth.scm#L43

<amz3`>tx