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<wingo>paroneayea: fash is still around :) http://wingolog.org/pub/fash.scm

<desiderantes>hello

<desiderantes>is guile-gir still a thing?

<amz3> https://www.julian.com/blog/upvote

<amz3> 3~3~https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

<amz3> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

<catonano_>amz3: what do you mean to say, with these posts ?

<peterbrett>I have a daft question about (format)

<peterbrett>We have some translatable strings in our source code with substitutions

<peterbrett>We have a lint to always use explicit indices in translatable strings, to help translators reorder the substitutions if necessary

<peterbrett>In Python, we can write something like "Failed to load configuration for {1} from {2}"

<peterbrett>What's the equivalent for Guile (ice-9 format)?

<peterbrett>The closest I've found so far is "Failed to load configuration for ~0@*~s from ~1@*~s" which seems... unwieldy

<janneke>peterbrett: could you give more exact code snippets?

<janneke>are you talking about python's "bla %(xxx)s %(yyy)s" % locals () feature?

<wleslie>{} is the new-style format, %s the old one

<wleslie>"foo {0} bar {1}".format(x, y)

<janneke>wleslie: ah, okay...sorry

<janneke>wleslie: i never used the numbered version anyway, always used named+locals ()

<janneke>or % dict

<wleslie>I personally prefer % dict too

<janneke>and apparently, haven't kept up with python

<wleslie>not locals, because I work on a compiler and know how that looks when interpreted (:

<peterbrett>janneke: "Failed to load configuration for {1} from {2}".format(user, filename)

<janneke>haha

<peterbrett>(format #f "Failed to load configuration for ~0@*~s from ~1@*~s" user filename)

<janneke>peterbrett: i'm confused [possibly learing something from you]...

<janneke>why don't you use

<janneke>(format #f "Failed to load configuration for ~s from ~s" user filename)

<wleslie>because some languages need to reverse the placeholders

<wleslie>think subject-verb-object vs object-verb-subject vs subject-object-verb etc

<janneke>rright i18n'able strings

<janneke>peterbrett: i hope there is a friendlier way, esp. given that translators are often not programmers :-(

<janneke>possibly good to ask for a solution on guile-user/guile-devel list

<paroneayea>wingo: how about throwing in fash.scm into the next release? :)

<paroneayea>I know a lot of us would like having constant-time immutable hashmaps that aren't append-only

<paroneayea>(ice-9 fash) ! :)

<paroneayea>janneke: btw I think the right way for us to do i18n gettext style things in Guile would be to have a "gettextable" quasiquote and have a format procedure that appends together the string once un-quasiquoted from a list

<paroneayea>#_("Failed to load configuration for " ,_foo " from " ,_bar)

<paroneayea>then a translator could reorder things however they like

<paroneayea>mark_weaver seems to think such a thing is possible anyway :)

<amz3>catonano_: I find them interesting

<amz3>catonano_: did you look at the videos?

<jmd>Is there a tool to do coverage analysis for guile?

<wingo>paroneayea: dunno, do you use guix everywhere?

<wingo>if so a package with fash & fector would be good enough i think, dunno

<wingo>need more experience with these data structures :)

<paroneayea>wingo: I do use guix everywhere. I could package it.

<wingo>alternately include locally in your packages

<wingo>dunno

<paroneayea>wingo: I could check them into a repository on gitlab. Do you have an account there?

<paroneayea>I could add you as a collaborator

<wingo>i do have a gitlab yes

<wingo>i think it's "wingo"

<paroneayea>wingo: ok. I'll look at doing that soon.

<wingo>ACTION about to make another fibers release

<paroneayea>nice :)

<paroneayea>ACTION is working on Pubstrate

<paroneayea>trying to get in a bunch of features so I can ensure that terms don't get dropped from the ActivityStreams standard which I'll need in the long run!

<catonano_>amz3: I did !

<catonano_>admittedly I didn t understand all you did. I found cool the way you produce page components as Scheme functions. It s very similar to what happens in Hoplon

<catonano_>you need to make a package of it ;-)

<catonano_>Oh and you need to make a package of grf3 too ;-)

<catonano_>if it was available in guix and with those footages it would be easier, I think to get started with it

<catonano_>as a side note, I love the colors in your terminal, I love the transpèarency of your windows and i love your dexterity in using the Gnome workspaces :-)

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