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<galex-713>I mean, what does it give more than just a list or a vector? <random-nick>galex-713: you can identify which type of record it is by comparing the vtables of the record and the vtable of the record type <random-nick>well that is more of a feature of structures, records provide a macro for that <wleslie>and it names the items. a stat result is much easier to read if you don't have to remember which index st-mtime resides at. <amz3>galex-713: it's like namedtuple from python <galex-713>random-nick: yeah but at least a struct save memory because not mandatorily involving pointers, while records do <galex-713>random-nick: also structs are typed, while records aren’t <galex-713>amz3: how do you give a static type to a member then? <amz3>galex-713: sorry, I misunderstood, it's typed but every component can have whatever type <random-nick>galex-713: and I mean guile structures not C structures <galex-713>Yet yeah, it’s like “named tuples”, so it’s kinda useless to me <galex-713>yet as far as I know GOOPS is implemented as records <pecg>I didn't know many of guile's source code is written in go <pecg>why was it chosen instead of C? not a problem for me, just wondering. <wleslie>pecg: the .go extension is analagous to the shared objects .so <pecg>I'm seeing tree-il/peval.go <stis>I just put out a blog, (I did it via python and pelican) but if you recomend other tools that are more schemy please let me know <avoine>pecg: yeah this is just an extension collision .go probably means "Guile Object" <amz3>stis: I use custom script which does recursive markdown->html <amz3>they are bug in the markdown->html thing but it kind of works <stis>amz3: thx. My main concern is to get program code syntax highlighted in a nice way. And for many languages. Did you solve that? <stis>Also I wanted to add discussion possibilites and keep it static. and pelican had some easy tools for this <stis>And of cause theams that I could use so that the site looked ok. <stis>random-nick: dito questions for haunt <stis>ACTION is quite ignorant regarding web technologies <amz3>stis: my code doesn't support syntax highlighting yet, the main problem is the markdown parser is incomplete <amz3>amz3`: from experience, people don't comment much, so I don't bother setting up a comment system for no comments at all. Instead interested and interesting people can use the email to chat <davexunit>I would like something written for wayland :) <dsmith-work>scwm needs to be re-architected so it's a guile app instead of a C app that links to libguile. <davexunit>a pure guile wm is possible, as proven by guile-wm <stis>amz3: discussion is not only for my view. I want the visitor to be able to read any discussions. <davexunit>I would just expand upon guile-wm, personally <dsmith-work>wingo did a minimal WM in guile at one time. "griddy" IIRC <amz3`>stis: not worth the trouble, also if would create something like that in guile I will need to use https which is painful to setup; also it would be centralized which I already do at $wurk <amz3`>I don't want to repeat myself that's why i explorer things I can't do at normally <amz3`>right now, I only think about re-writing a project that offlines stack overflow for local use in guile <amz3`>doing that I figured, that hyper (an exact match search engine) has to know beforehand all the content of a page to index it. Which means that I can't simply do (for-each index stackoverflow-posts.xml) which in turns means I have to deal with that too <amz3`>there is no real trouble, I just discovered that compiling guile myself made it more faster <amz3`>which means I means it's a viable solution for me problem <amz3`>and make less C libraries to bind, which I don't want to do anymore <stis>amz3`: re C, fair enough, peronally I prefere generate my C from scheme <amz3`>stis: do you use type inference or not? <ijp>I phased out receive in all my code a few years back <stis>amz3`: just a little, the main inference is done in the C compiler <ijp>because it isn't worth an extra import when I almost always have let-values <ijp>and in the cases I don't, it's still not worth an extra import <amz3`>I never use rnrs base, the only rnrs I use is rnrs bytevectors <amz3`>ACTION running the SO importer for Posts.xml just sanity check <mark_weaver`>Amynka: thanks. from looking at the build log, the original problem appears to be fixed, and now there's another problem: you're passing --disable-regex to configure, and apparently we don't handle that gracefully, but you should remove that flag anyway. <mark_weaver`>Amynka: also, I see that --disable-networking is still being passed to configure. that should be removed as well. <Amynka>mark_weaver`: I cant remove useflag just like this <Amynka>mark_weaver`: why you have it in confugure if its not working? <mark_weaver`>I agree that this is a bug, but apparently noone ever adds that flag, so no one else noticed the problem. <Amynka>so I should remove all the useflags basically <mark_weaver`>a lot of guile code uses regexps. we should probably remove the flag. <mark_weaver`>guile has grown big enough that omitting things like networking support and regexps doesn't make a very noticable difference in the total size. <mark_weaver`>Amynka: you wrote in the bug report that you added +nls +networking. given this, why do you support --disable-networking was passed to configure? <Amynka>mark_weaver`: its recommende useflag <Amynka>he can hard disable if he knows what he is doing <mark_weaver`>I have to go afk for a while, but I'll check back later... <davexunit>will gentoo *ever* fix their guile packages? <mark_weaver`>davexunit: Amynka is working on it, and being a great help <davexunit>I'm happy to hear that you are working on improving the situation. <mark_weaver`>(there's a lot of built-up frustration about the gentoo situation here) <Amynka>yep working on it and eventually I will <Amynka>what about my frustration people insult me all the time its not properly packaged try that <davexunit>yeah, sorry about letting some of that frustration out. I didn't realize that Amynka was working on making things better. <Amynka>they even told me that i didnt test it when I was testing it for months :D <davexunit>every so often we get a gentoo user who is wondering why their guile is broken, or asking questions about guile 1.8 because 2.0 is "masked" or something <davexunit>so I'm very happy that we've got a packager that discuss with us and resolve things! <Amynka>its not gentoo problem that much problem is that every user compiles it in gentoo so it reveals more bugs <Amynka>plus noone knoews anything about scheme in gentoo <Amynka>mark_weaver`: well so I can put enable to configure let me know here which options then "regexp nls and networking " ? <mark_weaver`>Amynka: if a user really wants to disable nls, that's okay, and that's a case we've tested for things like running guile in an initrd <mark_weaver`>but regexp and networking should probably be fixed to "enabled". disabling them won't buy you much anyway <Amynka>that will be hard now after I commit all those stuff :D but I can try :))) <mark_weaver`>no need to pass --enable-networking or --enable-regexp.. just don't disable them explicitly. <mark_weaver`>okay, I really have to go afk now.. good luck, and thanks again! <dsmith-work>Amynka: Some of those configure flags probably date way bac to SCM, which guile is decended from. <Amynka>i dont blame anyone but yea its hard :)) <Amynka>i will just tell user to enable it :D <dsmith-work>Amynka: Remember guile is *old*. Was first committed to CVS about 20 years ago. And was in development before then. <dsmith-work>s/in development/in non version controlled development/ 