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<guile-guest6>hello, anyone here?

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<paroneayea>hello, *

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<amz3>héllo guilers

<amz3>héllo ijp, glad your are back

<amz3>ijp: do you plan on working again on guile javascript backend?

<amz3>I would be very glad If you can share some of your knowledge of the javascript backend so that I can hack myself

<amz3>it even possible to make it work?

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<weitzelb>yes, hello!

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<paroneayea>ACTION finally looks up what a property list is

<paroneayea>I heard sussman say in a recent talk that he doesn't use records with slots as often as property lists in a lot of his live coding

<paroneayea>so I guess that's a list like '(key1 val1 key2 val2)

<davexunit>pretty old school

<paroneayea>but you mutate it

<davexunit>yeah

<davexunit>didn't know about the mutation part

<paroneayea>it's not append-based like alists are

<paroneayea> https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node108.html

<paroneayea>I suppose you could also return new alists

<paroneayea>er

<paroneayea>plists

<paroneayea>rather than mutate it

<paroneayea>constructed from the old ones

<paroneayea>but anyway, you don't just keep appending to the head of it

<paroneayea>I also noticed they were mentioned as for how information about symbols was stored in the 1960s lisp manual

<paroneayea>interesting stuff

<paroneayea>well, interesting to me :)

<civodul>it lends itself well to live coding because it's unstructured

<civodul>but it's kinda annoying and error-prone because it's unstructured :-)

<paroneayea>:)

<davexunit>I'd like to be able to redefine a record type at the REPL without breaking everywhere I've used the record prior

<davexunit>it's not a huuuuge problem, but it would be cool.

<rain1>would that be possible if it was a GOOPS object instead of a record?

<davexunit>maybe, not sure.

<davexunit>but I don't want to use GOOPS.

<civodul>currently GOOPS is the only way to do that

<paroneayea>8sync itself does not use GOOPS

<paroneayea>but I'm porting the python actor model I wrote to 8sync as a sub-system

<paroneayea>and I figured I'd try writing that optional subsystem with GOOPS (it's pretty OOP based anyway, because that's what kind of actors I was writing)

<paroneayea>I'm kinda liking it :)

<paroneayea>it's more fun than python objects.

<paroneayea>ACTION also used match-lambda for the first time today!

<civodul>:-)

<civodul>i think GOOPS has become the thing several of us like to hate ;-)

<paroneayea>so watching that recent Sussman lecture: I'm not sold by Sussman by property lists :)

<paroneayea>but!

<paroneayea>I am sold by Sussman on a mutable toplevel + generic methods

<paroneayea>and GOOPS seems like the best thing we have for that... and it's compatible with records anyway, so

<civodul>yeah, a live system needs some sort of an upgrade protocol for records

<civodul>and GOOPS provides that

<civodul>wingo made a live programming demo a couple of years ago at FOSDEM that wouldn't have been possible without this facility

<civodul>"bitter", it was called :-)

<civodul> https://wingolog.org/pub/bitter.scm

<civodul>hmm this one doesn't have GOOPS in it

<civodul> http://wingolog.org/pub/fosdem-2011.pdf

<civodul>anyway

<paroneayea>maybe #guile would hate GOOPS less if someone wrote an "immutableish goops" library similar to the immutable records one :)

<paroneayea>in other words, technically the fields rearrange with live coding as the GOOPS structures change

<paroneayea>but you have functional setters

<civodul>but it's tricky

<civodul>when you redefine <foo>, you need to rewire existing instances of the old <foo> to the new one

<civodul>possibly with a different layout, a different set of fields, etc.

<civodul>GOOPS does that very well

<fhmgufs>Hello! Can you give me a simple example of an extension (module) for Guile written in C?

<rain1> https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Dynamic-FFI.html

<fhmgufs>Sorry, I don't just mean a tutorial, but a real world code example, is there something?

<rain1>sorry that was wrong link

<rain1> https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/C-Extensions.html#C-Extensions

<fhmgufs>Ok, thanks anyway!

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<civodul>https everywhere :-)

<jmd>Nor any drop to drink!

<jmarciano>is there any possibility or function in Guile, to show the source code being executed at the time?

<sneek>Welcome back jmarciano, you have 1 message.

<sneek>jmarciano, daviid says: instead of upmf, you may look at guildhall https://github.com/ijp/guildhall

<jmarciano>cloning

<jmarciano>while: guildhall is comparable to cpan for particular language, upmf is more comparable to apt-get or guix as general package manager. But I am certainly pulling guildhall

<jmarciano>I cannot believe that guildhall have overwritten the guild

<jmarciano>not sure

<jmarciano>guild shows me no packages even with update. strange

<daviid>jmarciano: you need to configure it, look for a wki or something...

<jmarciano>I configured it as per git instructions. But don't we have all guild in guile?

<daviid>jmarciano: guildhall does not compare with guix, it is a package manager for pure scheme, actually pure guile scheme code. if you need package management with external dependencies and all., then guix...

<jmarciano>guildhall is just for guile, so it says, yes

<jmarciano>while upmf was for everything

<jmarciano>do you use it?

<jmarciano>as if you do use it, how do you cope with guild to overwrite the guild?

<daviid>jmarciano: you need to add/edit ~/.config/guildhall/config.scm

<daviid>in this fle add arepo for guild to look at, for example

<daviid>then a destination of package installation, for example

<daviid>(destination shift-reset (fhs "/opt"))

<daviid>then do

<daviid>guild update

<daviid>* guild list-packages, guild install pfds [for example...]

<ijp>davexunit: how do you "modularise" in haunt?

<ijp>I have a some files that are not really "posts", and that I want to read and build in a particular way

<ijp>e.g. project pages on a site should be handled differently from blog posts

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