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<daviid>i think these 2 modules should merged, wdt?
<mark_weaver>daviid: hmm, yes, I guess they probably should be.
<daviid>ok i'll try to work in that, as time allows
<mark_weaver>that would be appreciated!
<daviid>we have to release g-wrap, guile-cairo, guile-gnome and guile-clutter stricktly depending on guile-2.0, debian wihdraw guile-1.8 from unstable and soon testing ...
<daviid>release asap I mean
<daviid>mark_weaver: i1ll try, i like the idea to merge these 2
<daviid>have to go, bbl
<mark_weaver>okay, ttyl!
<mark_weaver>janneke: it would be helpful to profile it, and find out which operations have gotten slower.
<dsmith>sneek, botsnack
<dsmith>sneek, seen wingo
<sneek>wingo was here Apr 20 at 12:04 am UTC, saying: yeah.
<dsmith>sneek, seen dsmith-work
<sneek>dsmith-work was here Apr 21 at 05:36 am UTC, saying: I think blue is best..
<dsmith>date must be off
<dsmith>sneek, seen dsmith-work
<sneek>I last saw dsmith-work on Apr 21 at 05:36 am UTC, saying: I think blue is best..
<dsmith>sneek, seen dsmith
<sneek>dsmith was here Sep 14 at 10:33 pm UTC, saying: sneek, seen dsmith.
<mark_weaver>dsmith-work: I see in my logs that wingo was here two days ago.
<mark_weaver>(and spoke)
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<nalaginrut>mornoon guilers~
<artyom-poptsov>Hi nalaginrut
<artyom-poptsov>"mornoon" sounds like a combination of "morning" and "afternoon"
<tadni>maroon nalaginrut~
<nalaginrut>yeah, since I'm so late this morning ;-P
<civodul>Hello Guilers!
<wingo>moin :)
<lloda>question: is it possible to use the repl debugger on the compiler itself? I get While executing meta-command: ERROR ... and no new prompt.
<wingo>you can
<wingo>lloda: the debugger isn't enabled for meta-commands; perhaps we should add a mode
<wingo>anyway, you can call (compile FOO)
<wingo>or (compile FOO #:env (current-module))
<wingo>where FOO is a quoted expression
<nalaginrut>wingo: it's better to have compile-from-string for multi-lang debugging
<nalaginrut>I have to use file instead at present
<nalaginrut>`compile' only accepts s-expr
<wingo>i think you might be able to (read-and-compile (open-input-string STR) #:to 'value)
<wingo>if you use (system base compile) anyway
<nalaginrut>'s a little bit circle, but yes it works ;-P
<lloda>wingo, (compile FOO) doesn't give me a prompt. While compiling expression: ERROR ... and no prompt.
<wingo>lloda: if you've really broken the compiler so that it can't compile the (compile ...) expression then you can ,o interp #t
<lloda>ah, that works. very good, thanks.
<lloda>btw (read-and-compile (open-input-string "99") #:to 'value) -> $2 = ERROR: In procedure simple-format:
<lloda>ERROR: In procedure simple-format: FORMAT: Unsupported format option ~4 - use (ice-9 format) instead
<lloda>anyway, I don't need that.
<nalaginrut>it's fine in master
<lloda>c5ea75534c683638fb1f3b328efe6ba0d242e485 ?
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<dsmith-work>sneek: seen wingo
<sneek>wingo was here Sep 15 at 09:13 am UTC, saying: strange.
<ijp>sneek: seen ijp
<sneek>ijp was here Sep 15 at 02:15 pm UTC, saying: sneek: seen ijp.
<dsmith-work>mark_weaver: Seeks time was waaay off.
<dsmith-work>Thought it was april instead of september
<ijp>a simple mistake to make
<dsmith-work>Have to remember to wire up ntpdate...
<fangism>did someone ping me in last 4 days?
<taylanub>fangism: not in my logs. I think there were also public logs somewhere, or was that only #guix...
<stis__>hi ho guilers go!
<stis__>heh saw mark_weaver warn against guile-cl!
<stis__>his right, the good part is based on guile-syntax-parse, which is not gnu
<stis__>the bad part is just ugly.
<stis__>The good one is the loop macro implementation
<stis__>but who wants cl's loop macro :-)
<stis__>on the other hand the idea of gule-cl of implementing missing parts of cl in a schemy way is not a bad idea
<stis__>for example what is a good schemy way of attaching properties to syntactic objects like in cl's get and put
<stis__>my version in guile-cl is not good atm. PLease implement the correct one :-)
*stis__ will maybe implement a gnu syntax-parse later on.
<stis__>dsmith-works: thanks for the link, really interesting.
*stis__ should also make sure that the guile-log doc becomes better
<zacts>what is guile-cl?
<paroneayea>guessing: common lisp in guile? :)
*daviid still write (call-next-method) [instead of (next-method)], even after 15y of using goops, i wonder how much control we have on our oan brain :)
<janneke>daviid: that's an interesting question
<daviid>janneke: while you are here :), i saw on your gdk related example you used . for you accessors to preceed slot names... I'd like to suggest ! instead, wdt? it may sound a little thing but (1) i don't think we want people to think goops comes after and inspires itself from java :), (2) there i a tradition in scheme that mutable procedures end with !, since an accessor can access or used to mutate, set!, hence the preceeding ! [instead
<daviid>of following] (3) it would be nice to uniform our examples, I think