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<didi>Guile throwing a vm-error (Stack overflow) and then aborting on the next expression is a known bug/behavior of 2.0.9?

<mark_weaver>yes, a known bug fixed in git

<didi>Cool.

<didi>Wouldn't Guile's macros expand before the evaluation of `define' expressions, would them? Because I'm getting an error from the compiler about an unbound variable which is a procedure that I use inside a macro.

<mark_weaver>wrap the 'define' (of the procedure that's needed by the macro) within (eval-when (expand load eval) <...>)

<didi>OK.

<mark_weaver>alternatively, if the procedure is used by only one macro, put it within the macro itself, just inside the outer 'lambda'

<Madsy>Hey mark_weaver. I'm almost ready to do some more Windows testing :)

<Madsy>I'll do that this Saturday

<didi>mark_weaver: Thanks. I think I'm going to do that.

<Madsy>And this time I'll compile my whole application, not just guile

<mark_weaver>Madsy: okay. I'm on the verge of making some more changes for windows, so check with me first. it would be better to test after I make those changes than before.

<Madsy>No problem

<cluck>:)

<Madsy>I just added audio, vorbis and music sync support to my demo engine

<Madsy>With rtaudio, vorbisfile and GNU rocket

<Madsy>Pretty damn awesome in action

<cluck>otoh that is awesome otoh mod files are the one true demo music

<unknown_lamer>mods!

<unknown_lamer>I totally found the tempest 2k source online, including the mods. I like to pretend I'm at a 90s rave playing them sometimes

<Madsy>:D

<unknown_lamer>Madsy: ooo, so you've added jackd support to guile basically?

<unknown_lamer>the mention of mod music has me wanting to play tempest 2k instead of moving volumes off of this afs server

<cluck>unknown_lamer: a genetic algorithm that did EM phreaking would be really neat

<cluck>unknown_lamer: imagine being able to radiate data from any exposed electrical circuit!

<cluck>the feedback/fitness function for such a monster would be a bitch to write though

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<nalaginrut>morning guilers~

<Televangelor>nalaginrut, it's 02:28 here I think

<nalaginrut>Televangelor: oh~so early morning ;-P

<ggrant>nalaginrut: Evening.

<nalaginrut>it's 9:30 here now ;-D

<nalaginrut>am

<ggrant>nalaginrut: 7:32 pm, Midwest US.

<nalaginrut>Televangelor: what's you timezone?

<ggrant>Well 30 after, being the "correct time".

<ggrant>31 now. :^P

<nalaginrut>;-)

<Televangelor>vr feb 28 02:31:09 CET 2014

<nalaginrut>vr?

<nalaginrut>I'm in China

<ggrant>I still don't get why we just don't use one time. Who cares if it's dark at 14:00.

<nalaginrut>hmm...maybe that's worse too ;-D

<cluck>wait.. doesn't everybody else use swatch beats too?

*cluck ducks

<nalaginrut>what's swatch beats?

<zRecursive>Any Guile book to sell ?

<nalaginrut>zRecursive: IIRC there's a printed Guile manual

<nalaginrut>but just the manual

<cluck>nalaginrut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Beat

<zRecursive>nalaginrut: manual is helpful

<nalaginrut>zRecursive: it'll be better if we have a similar book like <<land of lisp>> or <<realm of racket>>

*zRecursive maybe i need to print it by myself

<zRecursive>nalaginrut: yeah

<nalaginrut>cluck: alright, that's a cool idea

<zRecursive>maybe <<Real World Scheme>> ?

<nalaginrut>make me recall the time-design in <<mass of gravity>>

<nalaginrut>sorry, should be <<mass effect>>

<zRecursive>i never heard of it

<nalaginrut>zRecursive: well sounds cool, but I don't know if there're sufficient cases

<nalaginrut> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect

<nalaginrut>it's a very famous science fiction novel

<nalaginrut>and games

<zRecursive>At least Guile has been used i.e., TexMacs ,etc.

<nalaginrut>the time in this novel is similar to the beats

<nalaginrut>the universal time

<zRecursive>interesting

<nalaginrut>zRecursive: <<land of lisp>> and <<realm of racket>> are game-based, I don't know if it's proper to follow

<zRecursive>Something is better than nothing.

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<Fuuzetsu>I don't think that Guile is different enough from dialects with existing materials that it warrants a book just on Guile.

<nalaginrut>Fuuzetsu: yes, I agree. So I don't expect a <<XXX of Guile>> but <<XXX of Scheme>>

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<civodul>Hello Guilers!

<nalaginrut>hi ludo!

<civodul>excellent read: http://bartoszmilewski.com/2014/02/26/c17-i-see-a-monad-in-your-future/

<cluck>:)

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<stis>evening guilers!

<civodul>mark_weaver: i've revived non-GNU builds at http://hydra.nixos.org/jobset/gnu/guile-2-0#tabs-jobs

<civodul>they had actually disappared with a recent Hydra change :-/

<mark_weaver>civodul: thanks!

<civodul>mark_weaver: so what should we do with 2.0.10? :-)

<civodul>i think we should go ahead

<mark_weaver>I generally agree, although I'd like to get it more widely tested before release. I was hoping to have access to the GCC build farm by now, but both of my emails requesting that have gone unanswered :-(

<mark_weaver>I will admit that I've not handled this well. I've repeatedly tried to do too much.

<mark_weaver>we have failures on darwin: In file included from ../lib/stdlib.h:96:0,

<mark_weaver> from c-tokenize.c:22:

<mark_weaver>../lib/unistd.h:121:3: error: #error "Please include config.h first."

<mark_weaver>

<civodul>mark_weaver: this is fixed by what i just pushed

<civodul>commit e1bb79f

<mark_weaver>thanks!

<mark_weaver>does hydra do any mingw builds? I thought it used to.

<civodul>i think it broke at some point...

<civodul>re GCC compile farm, did you try to ask via http://gna.org/support/?group=gcc-cfarm ?

<mark_weaver>Madsy: I pushed the things I wanted to push before 2.0.10 for Windows. If you could test it at your earliest convenience, that would be excellent!

<civodul>alternately, i can try to ping Laurent Guerby if you want

<mark_weaver>civodul: that would be great, if you would!

<civodul>ok, will do

<mark_weaver>thanks :)

<civodul>mark_weaver: ok, so go to http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CompileFarm and do as written after "Please send:" :-)

<civodul>did you do that already?

<mark_weaver>civodul: I did that several weeks ago, with a ping a week later.

<civodul>ok

<mark_weaver>I sent the emails on 3 Feb 2014 and 9 Feb 2014.

<civodul>noted

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