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<civodul>Hello Guilers!

<add^_>Hey civodul

<add^_>!

<add^_>How are you?

<madsy>hey :)

<add^_>Hello madsy :-)

<Sleep_Walker>do you have some examples of real life use of guile?

<Sleep_Walker>as I'm learning documentation, tutorials, all the exercises are quite academical and artificial...

<Sleep_Walker>tia

<add^_>You make your own limits, why should we limit you by giving you "real life" examples? ;-)

<Sleep_Walker>lets say I need to stimulate my fantasy :b

<Sleep_Walker>I know for which task I'd use C, C++, python, perl, bash, but I have no idea where to use scheme/guile...

<Fulax>web applications?

<Sleep_Walker>ok...

<add^_>Well

<add^_>I can't really say I'm good on the ideas myself :-/

<Fulax>there are many usages, depending on your needs and comfort. I usually write some scripts I could write in bash in scheme

<add^_>I'm not really "everything has it's own place" when it comes to scheme, it basically covers anything I can think of.. I mean, maybe I consider C when it comes to extreme speed and I have the time (and energy) to write code for long before I can get a result.

<add^_>Like, say, an OS..

<Fulax>(but not with guile, I'm more used to another scheme dialect for system programming)

<add^_>Fulax: which one?

<Fulax>add^_: bigloo

<add^_>oh

<Fulax>the system interface is quite neat

<add^_>Really?

<add^_>I thought it'd be s48

<add^_>but I haven't actually tried out bigloo

<add^_>yet

<Fulax>its very similar to C for the interface

<add^_>although I've heard good things about it

<Fulax>and native compilation is cool for scripts :p

<add^_>I bet

<add^_>I think guile works just fine for scripts too thuogh

<add^_>though*

<add^_>IMNSHO

<Fulax>I know too little about guile yet

<Sleep_Walker>interesting

<add^_>I wish I could help you Sleep_Walker, but I think you are better off asking civodul, wingo or

<Fulax>Sleep_Walker: civodul has written a complete package manager in guile, called guix

<Sleep_Walker>...I don't want to bother...

<add^_>I can't remember how mark_weaver spells his nick (I don't think that's it)

<add^_>bother?

<Sleep_Walker>Fulax: I know - I created packages for guix and was interested in guile... that's how I came here 2 days ago :)

<add^_>Wait, you come here asking, but you don't want to "bother" anyone? :-P For one, it's not bothersome, and if it were, we wouldn't answer anyway.

<add^_>E.g, we don't mind you asking! Just go ahead!

<add^_>:-D

<Sleep_Walker>add^_: there is difference between asking on channel and asking using nick...

<add^_>Naah

<add^_>lol

<davexunit>Scheme is a multi-paradigm language. You can do a lot of different tasks with it.

<add^_>hey davexunit

<davexunit>Guile is quite an efficient implementation of it.

<add^_>good timing

<davexunit>I use it to write 2d games, it powers wingo's website, you know that guix uses it, and so does the init system for guix, dmd.

<Sleep_Walker>is it possible to share modules between different scheme implementations?

<davexunit>yes, there's a notion of "portable" Scheme

<davexunit>I write my code using whatever guile supports and some guile specific standard libraries, but if you limit yourself to the core language (r5rs, r6rs, etc.) you can write portable code.

<davexunit>I just have no experience with that.

<add^_>wow, I wonder how ijp would react if/when he sees this conversation xD

<davexunit>I believe ijp has several modules of his own that are written in a portable way.

<add^_>He's not on now, but he might read the logs.

<add^_>Yes, exactly

<davexunit>ijp and the guile maintainers can do a far better job explaining this point.

<add^_>He is a portable-scheme-fan :-)

<add^_>Actually, I am too, but not nearly as good at it..

<add^_>Oh well

<add^_>davexunit: how's guile-2d progressing?

<Sleep_Walker>OK, I'm thinking about some configurable web site walker (HTML parsing, XPath addresing, HTTP protocol) - it may be nice exercise for learning guile

<add^_>yes

<Sleep_Walker>perl would be the easy choice, python would be maintainable choice, let's see guile! :)

<add^_>Maybe I should learn python again some day :-/

<add^_>"again" is kinda wrong... "better" would be a better choice of words.

<add^_>But scheme does everything that python does, so I don't really need to :-(

<davexunit>add^_: it's going pretty well. I have docs to write, a website to make, and a screencast to record.

<add^_>ooh

<davexunit>in addition to some source code tweaks.

<add^_>If that means what I think it impies, you've gotten quite far!

<davexunit>I have a couple of modules that need some love before the next release.

<add^_>Cool!

<davexunit>I will release 0.2 some time after guile 2.0.10 drops.