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<nalaginrut>morning guilers~

<wingo>moin

<janneke>moin wingo!

<wingo>morning janneke :)

<nalaginrut>heya

<nalaginrut>CodePlex of M$ has GPLv3 now, but M$ claimed GPL is evil in 2007, interesting

<wingo>the bourgeoisie is not a unified front ;)

<nalaginrut>;-)

<add^_>bourgeoisie?

*add^_ goes to look that up

<add^_>ah

<add^_>lol

<civodul>Hello Guilers!

<wingo>heya civodul :)

<nalaginrut>how to avoid " fport_fill_input: Interrupted system call" ?

<nalaginrut>I'm using SIGALRM to do some work periodically

<nalaginrut>but each time it prints this

<civodul>nalaginrut: this is a bug fixed recently

<civodul>lemme see

<nalaginrut>oh,so it's a common bug?

<civodul>see commit fe51c7b3e0a1e93be3bb81dd2d4b18936fe2df3a

<nalaginrut>I added SA_RESTART, but it's delayed to show

<nalaginrut>dunno why

<civodul>there's another bug about SA_RESTART in debbugs ;-)

<civodul>nalaginrut: the fix above is *not* in 2.0.9

<nalaginrut>hmm..

<nalaginrut>thanks ;-)

<wingo>hoo, i hope eval compiled with the new compiler will be faster

<wingo>as-is, bootstrap is getting more and more painful

<wingo>really we need a different eval, and i am surprised no one has done that

*wingo has had all cores pegged for the last 8 minutes compiling the first files

<civodul>wingo: i once read a paper by Serrano et al. that had good ideas about improving eval

<civodul>i thought i'd do something about it, but never got around to

<wingo>simply using a ribbed environment would be enough...

<davexunit>gnu make 4.0 now has guile support.

<davexunit>I wonder what kind of cool things can be done with that.

<civodul>oh, is it out already?

<davexunit>civodul: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/make-w32/2013-10/msg00021.html

<civodul>wo0t!

<dsmith>Oh wow

<davexunit>so could I write my makefiles with guile instead?

<davexunit>I haven't had the chance to read the manual about it

<civodul>davexunit: no, currently it's just a $(guile ...) make function

<civodul>which means you can put Scheme snippets in makefiles

<ijp>presumably this is optional in make?

<civodul>why are you asking this? :-)

<dsmith>Looks like it supports guile 1.8 as well as 2.0

<ArneBab>did already someone prod the Make people to update their docs?

<ArneBab>last updated July 28, 2010 → http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/

<add^_>davexunit: Hey, do you recommend Thinkpad X220 ? I just saw your blogpost about it and I was wondering..

<add^_>You seem to like it in the blogpost, but I figured I might ask as some time have gone and you might have refined your opinion of it

<add^_>Hm

<add^_>Actually, the hackish solution to get passed the whitelist seems.. well hackish.

<add^_>Uuh

<davexunit>add^_: I like it a lot!

<add^_>Hmm

<add^_>Maybe it's worth the work?

<add^_>Meh, can't find it..

<add^_>I can find one called Thinkpad X230 but that's about it

<davexunit>they don't sell them new anymore.

<add^_>Ah, that explains a lot

<add^_>lol

<davexunit>the x230 is the current X series model.

<add^_>They got pretty bad score though, the x230 one

<davexunit>I prefer the x220

*add^_ sighs

<add^_>What class is the computer? Pro, ultrabook, entertaining, standard or something?

<add^_>Maybe I should search for a computer where I can use an entirely free system..

<davexunit>add^_: your choice there would be a lemote yeelong

<add^_>lemote yeelong?

<davexunit>add^_: I bought my x220 off of ebay for $400

<add^_>that sounds like a joke :-P

<davexunit>it's not. it's chinese.

<add^_>you mean lemote yeeloong

<add^_>?

<davexunit>yeah.

<add^_>Ah

<davexunit>I can never type it right.

<davexunit>it's the machine that rms uses. oh and mark_weaver, too.

<add^_>I've never heard about it, but I typed what you said and it autocorrected me

<add^_>Wat?

<add^_>Really?

<davexunit>yes

<add^_>Nice

<add^_>:-D

<davexunit>it's a weak machine, but it's the only one that runs fully free software.

<davexunit>including the BIOS and stuff.

<add^_>The notebook I suppose

<davexunit>yeah.

<davexunit>although, their most recent iteration requires nonfree software, I think.

<add^_>Ugh

<add^_>How can they advertise it as "fully free software" if it's not :-P

<davexunit>perhaps you are looking at the right model. I don't know.

<davexunit>I don't know a lot about them so I'm bound to be wrong about something.

<add^_>Hm

<add^_>I need to figure out who sells them :-/

<add^_>I wonder if I can have one with a Swedish keyboard or if I'm bound to get an American one..

<ijp>if you can touch type, it doesn't matter

<add^_>True

<add^_>I still would have to get used to the keyboard so..

<ijp>yeah, I have a new keyboard that's lying on the shelf next to me because I haven't gotten used to the smaller keys

<add^_>heh

<ijp>mostly backspace and the spacebar

<add^_>Ah, one thing I really would need though, a Swedish power-adapter or whatever it's called

<add^_>:-/

<add^_>Hum, maybe I wont get used to the ultrasmall keyboard it seems to be now that I look at it..

<add^_>Nah

<add^_>I think I'll look at something else :-/

<davexunit>add^_: thinkpad :)

<add^_>This one might be promising? https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/snares-penguin-gnu-linux-notebook

<add^_>Nah, I guess thinkpads are what it's at..

<davexunit>add^_: thinkpenguin is cool

<add^_>It is?

<davexunit>I didn't buy a laptop from them, but I bought a freedom-compatible wireless chip

<add^_>Yeah, I know, that's how I found their store

<add^_>lol

<davexunit>I think they're a bit pricey for what you get, so I preferred the thinkpad.

<add^_>Ah

<add^_>True

<add^_>1500 USD is... For me OK, but I'm not sure what I get out of it compared to other computers. :-/

<davexunit>add^_: a computer that runs on fully free software (sans BIOS) and supporting a business that cares about your freedom. :()

<davexunit>:)*

<add^_>what about it?

<add^_>You made it sounds like you didn't finish the sentence, that's why I'm asking.

<add^_>s/sounds/sound

<add^_>ijp: what computer do you have? Or did you build your own?

<add^_>Hm

<dsmith>One sweet thing about thinkpads is they have (or used to) a 3 button mouse.

<davexunit>dsmith: yeah that is sweet.

<davexunit>my x220 has 3 buttons.

<davexunit>and the little thinknub mouse

<dsmith>I don't think any other laptop has that.

<add^_>Hmm

<dsmith>We used to call that thing a "pinkthad"

<davexunit>clitmouse (tm)

<add^_>eeh

<add^_>I wonder what graphicscard the thinkpenguin have..

<add^_>davexunit: which distro do you use? Trisquel?

<davexunit>add^_: debian testing

<add^_>Oh

<ijp>add^_: the computer I am at is a pentium 4

<add^_>ah

<add^_>Oh well..

<add^_>Choosing a computer is really annoying it seems..

<add^_>Ugh, I'll let go for a while, don't *really* need a new computer yet.

*add^_ sighs

<ijp>hmm, that's a weird example mr Bogatov has chosen in his email

<ijp>(define foo #((+ 1 2) 2)) (eq? foo (eval foo (current-module)))

<ijp>why are bytevectors in the simple data types section, but bit vectors in the compound data type section

<mark_weaver>the distinction between "simple" and "compound" data types in our manual seems quite bogus to me.

<ijp>well, afaict compounds means "may contain as a component an arbitrary scheme value"

<mark_weaver>I guess that fits except for bitvectors.

<mark_weaver>well, also the "Other Types" don't fit into the "simple" category by that criterion.

<mark_weaver>but I guess those aren't really _in_ the simple section. they just refer to other sections.

<ijp>it would be nice to sit down and hash out a new organisation for the manual

<mark_weaver>yes, definitely!

<mark_weaver>it's one of the more important jobs to be done.

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