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<stikonas>hmm, we were often talking here about bison using its own new features in the same commit. But after looking more closely at zig bootstrap, it's full of such commits too

<stikonas>nothing too complex...

<stikonas>but guix frequently has to copy files from older sources, e.g. in https://codeberg.org/guix/guix/src/commit/56344729cd07c76d5133047f2866237bbb08dced/gnu/packages/zig.scm#L988

<lanodan>Oh… yikes

<shcv>hello! I'm interested in making some 'properly' bootstrapped language projects, and use guix for my personal computer. I'm curious what you would recommend for the bottom layer of my personal projects? maybe tcc or mes? Or does it not really matter for anything that isn't 'core' to the system, since everything in guix is already bootstrapped?

<matrix_bridge><Andrius Štikonas> By the way, not everything in guix is bootstraper

<matrix_bridge><Andrius Štikonas> E.g. ghc is not bootstrapped

<matrix_bridge><Andrius Štikonas> Other than that it shouldn't matter too much

<matrix_bridge><Andrius Štikonas> GCC is bootstrapped

<lanodan>I think I would be just making sure circular dependencies aren't going to be created, like how you could end up with perl depending on python and python depending on perl (which sounds horribly plausible to me).

<matrix_bridge><Andrius Štikonas> Also worth thinking about build system too

<matrix_bridge><Andrius Štikonas> You could introduce loops there as well

<lanodan>Yeah, things like test frameworks as well

<matrix_bridge><Andrius Štikonas> Yeah, but tests are less crucial

<matrix_bridge><Andrius Štikonas> You could skip tests while bootstrapping

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