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<stikonas>if we start adding everything and kitchen sink to the seed, it will be a huge mess <oriansj>pabs3: well as a general rule, any software not actively improving its bootstrap is actively regressing to the point of unbootstrappability <pabs3>muurkha: Debian doesn't yet even support building the full archive from just build-essential, too many build dep cycles without a build profile to break them <nektro>as another thought, i wonder if debian would change its mind about zig's blob if it was able to build debian's base and act as a new root <nektro>obviously the ideal is if there was also a zig impl path from stage0, just thinking out loud <matrix_bridge><Christoph> Why is it easier for zig developers with a blob? How did they get the blob in the first place? <nimaje>not having to maintain a core language compliler in another language and probably by compiling their compiler written in zig to wasm <nektro>yes previously there was both a c++ and zig implementation in the tree, now there is only the zig one <h01ger>ACTION has never heard of zig and only can share his *opinion* (& talk is cheap and all that), but i'd be happy if debian would not accept new languages which can only be bootstrapped with a blob. i dont think this is very controversial here :) <pabs3>ACTION guesses that several already-accepted languages are in that state :) <h01ger>lets not use mistakes of the past to justify mistakes in the future <pabs3>sure. still waiting on ftp-masters to discard maintainer-built .debs from NEW :( <h01ger>its a config option they just need to enable <h01ger>if asked like 3 times in the last year. maybe you could ask that as well? <nektro>h01ger, its ziglang.org if u were curious <oriansj>ah, the old but it was "ok" in the past defense; always found it odd that people use the argument for their behavior as the same argument for slavery, rape and murder. As if we didn't as a collective society already figure out those are bad things and stop accepting things we know are wrong. And you know, actively work to fix past wrongs where possible. <h01ger>are you comparing not bootstraping against crimes against humanity??? <h01ger>or was this a case of 'wrong window'? <matrix_bridge><Christoph> oriansj: It's called originalism now, the US supreme court is a fan!