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<stikonas[m]>OK, normal mode works though --repo mode might be broken <Hagfish>i would have thought that was easier than open hardware designs, but at least it's on the list of things they are "exploring" <oriansj>Hagfish: coreboot or libreboot support would have been a better firmware direction but it is up to them to do that work and thus all I can say is atleast it is progress. <oriansj>relative to where they previously existed. <tinybronca[m]><muurkha> "tinybronca: when we say that..." <- Weird, I thought 130nm meant the half-pitch between identical features was that wide <tinybronca[m]><Hagfish> "i would have thought that was..." <- I don't wanna buy more Intel gear personally I will not buy Framework <Hagfish>yeah, that's another way they could set a good example, but they have to pick their battles i guess <tinybronca[m]>"pick your battle" eehhh continuing Intel dominance is not helping <muurkha> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count maybe is a more reliable way to estimate: PIII Tualatin was 45 million transistors in 81 mm² in 130nm, thus 556,000 transistors per mm²; Itanium 2 was 592 million transistors in 432 mm², thus 1.37 million transistors per mm² <muurkha>by coincidence this happens to be pretty close to my guess of 600,000 transistors per mm² in 130nm <unmatched-paren>tinybronca[m]: the alternative is AMD, which is worse, or ARM, which is still pretty bad and not even an option for some people. the Talos POWER CPUs are incredibly expensive, and i don't think anyone could comfortably use a RISC-V right now. it's a rather unfortunate situation, and people do need to make compromises <unmatched-paren>personally, i'll be getting a framework laptop pretty soon i think :) a shame they don't use free UEFI yet, though. much better than what i currently have <Hagfish>yeah, that's a metric i've used in the past: it doesn't have to be perfect, or even the best, as long as it's better (in terms of freedom) than what it's replacing <stikonas[m]>unmatched-paren: Why are AMD CPUs worse than Intel for bootstrapping? <stikonas[m]>But it's either ME or PSP black boxes, so similar on that front <unmatched-paren>stikonas[m]: i thought AMD was slightly worse for blobs? but maybe that's just the GPUs <stikonas[m]>Well, Intel's blob is burned into ROM, while AMDs is uploaded by driver <stikonas[m]>unmatched-paren: it might be that if you want Intel GPU, you won't be able to use AMD CPU, since Intel GPUs are integrated <tinybronca[m]><unmatched-paren> "tinybronca: the alternative is..." <- I do not consider AMD worse, as the claim is their PSP does not even have "remote management" capabilities but I don't know how to verify this or if a tool like me_cleaner exists <tinybronca[m]><unmatched-paren> "tinybronca: the alternative is..." <- I do not see why ARM is not option, there are SBCs, laptops, and desktop/server motherboards <tinybronca[m]><Hagfish> "yeah, that's a metric i've..." <- I do not see Framework laptops as better in freedom at all, they just more modular/repairable physically, they apparently don't even release full libre PCB schematics <stikonas[m]>But it might not be igpu but just Intel gpus (in case Intel releases standalone GPUs at some point)