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<oriansj>ok stage0-posix release v1.5.0 is out

***stikonas_ is now known as stikonas

<stikonas>oriansj: thanks!

<oriansj>now to do a quality of life enhancement for stage0-posix

<stikonas>like what?

<stikonas>oh by the way, maybe worth writing some short announcement message to bootstrappable mailing list?

<oriansj>solve the Generate-$arch-answers sorting order problem

<oriansj>but yeah, I'll send that out later tonight

<stikonas>can you not use out own implementation of sha256sum?

<stikonas>which is locale independent

<stikonas>although it's not clear which one to use...

<stikonas>I guess ${ARC}/bin/sha256sum might work

<janneke>hmm, so blood-elf 2.0.0 from mescc-tools 1.3 needs --little-endian, while earlier blood-elf choke on that

<oriansj>janneke: yeah, it is a breaking change needed to support RISC-V

<janneke>hex2 and M1 identify as 1.1.0

<janneke>oriansj: right

<stikonas>that was already present in the last release if I recall correctly

<janneke>that should not be a problem for guix, but it is hard to giving decent configure errors

<oriansj>and the hex2 and M1 problem was fixed in commit: e58fdf98f2b357066bc0dc2189c9514e99bed372

<oriansj>perhaps a 1.3.1 release for mescc-tools to clear that out for you?

<janneke>oh, that would be real nice

<janneke>so, no 0.24 today

*janneke -> zZzzz

<stikonas>I've update live-bootstrap to stage0-posix 1.5.0. (trivial change with no breakages)

<oriansj>stikonas: nice

<stikonas>started testing bauen1's PR now but won't finish today, will finish tomorrow

<oriansj>and stage0-posix refinement is now up

<stikonas>bauen1: have you updated checksums?

<stikonas>I think you forgot to do that in your PR

<oriansj>and release v1.4.0 of mescc-tools is now out

<oriansj>and that was the last release that supports --BigEndian, --LittleEndian, --exec_enable and --BaseAddress flags

<oriansj>as 2 years and 5 major (1 minor) releases (multiple releases warning of the depreciation and how to convert) should be enough for anyone still depending on that behavior to convert

<bauen1>stikonas[m]: no i didn't, not sure how to do that, since not using a tmpfs will fail all the hashes for me right now

<pabs3>TIL the new Hare language has a bootstrap compiler (in C): https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/harec https://harelang.org/

<achaninja>well - I think that is the only compiler atm, but they plan to keep it forever even if they self host

<pabs3>I see

<pabs3>this page mentions it as a bootstrap compiler https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/hare/sources

<pabs3>so I thought they had a compiler written in Hare too

<achaninja>its not finished

<achaninja>I could be wrong though i guess it changes pretty fast

<achaninja> https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/hare/tree/master/item/cmd/harec

<achaninja>could someone explain the difference between m2-planet and m2-mesoplanet ?

<theruran>achaninja: and write it here? https://bootstrapping.miraheze.org/wiki/Stage0

<theruran>I totally missed about m2-mesoplanet

<theruran>I mean, I've not heard of it

<janneke>oriansj: beautiful, thank you!

<theruran>whoa congrats on the new releases! @stikonas[m] @oriansj

<pabs3>achaninja: an post from ddevault about Hare bootstrap https://lwn.net/Articles/893309/

<pabs3>"Yes, this is a key design choice of the Hare toolchain. We will maintain the C compiler indefinitely, though we do plan on making a second self-hosted compiler available. The language itself will be frozen at 1.0 so the maintenance burden of two compilers is relatively small."

<stikonas[m]>achaninja: M2-Mesoplanet is a fairly new things. It's C preprocessor with more capabilities than in M2-Planet

<stikonas[m]>theruran: new releases are entirely work by oriansj. My only "contribution" is request for new release

<fossy>bauen1: reviewing

<stikonas[m]>fossy: one of us might need to do checksum update

<stikonas[m]>As bauen1 does not seem to have the right environment (see earlier comment in this channel)

<stikonas[m]>I can run checksum update in 10h or so (unless you do it first)

<littlebobeep>Irvise_: What can be done with OpenGL bindings to s7?

<littlebobeep>stikonas[m]: Where can I read about the licensing issue with heirlooms-tools? Why does it require musl?

<littlebobeep>oriansj: Can you explain why --BigEndian, --LittleEndian, --exec_enable and --BaseAddress flags are being deprecated please?

<janneke>oriansj: there's something funny with ${foo:-<variable expansion here>} in kaem 1.4.0

<janneke>$ echo 'foo=${foo:-${bar}}; echo ${foo}' | foo=foo kaem --strict -f /dev/stdin

<janneke>foo}

<janneke>$ echo 'foo=${foo:-${bar}; echo ${foo}' | foo=foo kaem --strict -f /dev/stdin

<janneke>foo

<Irvise>littlebobeep: what do you mean about OpenGL in s7? AFAIK, s7 is mostly meant to disappear in your C/C compatible src as an extension language. It can be used as a Scheme interpreter too.

<Irvise>I suppose you can just create Scheme symbols that have some OpenGL meaning and then drive OpenGL from there. That would be just like any other Scheme implementation basically.

<Irvise>Maybe I am missing something :)

<stikonas>littlebobeep: those options (--LittleEndian) were deprecated long time ago (in favour of --little-endian), not now

<stikonas>littlebobeep: and heirloom-tools stuff was described in this channel many times, it's just a license incompatibility with meslibc (CDDL and GPLv3 are incompatible)

<stikonas>but CDDL and MIT is fine

<theruran>janneke's announcement on the mailing list says Mes 0.24 is the work of 4 people over a year. so congrats to everyone!

<theruran>I can't get preForth/seedForth to build because I don't have 32-bit toolchain. but the 2020 FOSDEM talk says it supports AMD64 so I am wondering what I am missing

<vagrantc>oooh, mes 0.24 ... oh the fun

<theruran>the source is GPLv3 so I was wondering about porting it to M1-macro?

<stikonas>theruran: what do you want to port to M1-macro?

<stikonas>seedForth?

<theruran> https://github.com/uho/preForth

<theruran>yeah, the Makefile only builds i386 for some reason. it fails to link on my system

<theruran> https://archive.fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/forth_new_synthesis/

<stikonas>I don't have fasm to build it either...

<theruran>yeah, it's in Guix but not Portage

*janneke has finally released mes-0.24, phew!

<muurkha>congratulations janneke!

<civodul>yay! \o/