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<oriansj>littlebobeep: well yes but I am old enough to remember Gigabyte's I-RAM being the benchmark king

<fossy>stikonas[m]: ok, that is good news

<unmatched-paren> https://git.sv.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/sml.scm <- i wonder if SML is bootstrapped? i can't tell from the guix SML/NJ recipe...

<unmatched-paren>that could be a viable language for writing compilers in where OCaml isn't particularly helpful (because of the old version)

<unmatched-paren>i've already started the pascal compiler in C, so it's probably too late to turn back now :P

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<unmatched-paren>i've already started the pascal compiler in C, so it's probably too late to turn back now :P

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<muurkha>unmatched-paren: why does it matter how old the version of OCaml is? certainly people wrote lots of compilers in old versions of OCaml

<unmatched-paren>muurka: multiple libraries require the newer version (for example: anything depending on a later dune)

<unmatched-paren>like menhir

<muurkha>you can't run those libraries in SML either

<unmatched-paren>and those that do work are probably outdated

<unmatched-paren>yeah, but SML surely has its own libraries?

<unmatched-paren>for parsing etc

<unmatched-paren>anyway, i'm doing it in C now, it's too late to stop :)

<unmatched-paren>and i'd like to do an actual C project to get better at it

<muurkha>yes, but so does old OCaml

<muurkha>parsing libraries generally don't become outdated

<muurkha>it's not like Facebook API libraries or ssh libraries where the protocol changes over time

<unmatched-paren>"parsing libraries generally don't become outdated" <- you have a fair point

<muurkha>I mean there are cases where we discover a new way to do something that works better, so updating your parsing library might give you a faster parser or enable you to use a wider class of grammars

<muurkha>but progress on that front has been astonishingly slow

<unmatched-paren>you win :) i probably would have been able to do it in old ocaml, but as i said "i'd like to do an actual C project to get better at it"

<muurkha>nothing wrong with C! or SML for that matter

<muurkha>probably the MLs are a little better suited for this kind of thing than C, but the difference is not great

<unmatched-paren>muurkha: but as i said, SML may or may not be bootstrapped, i can't tell

<unmatched-paren>MLton certainly isn't

<unmatched-paren>SML/NJ might be, but the repo is an SVN one and i found the web SVN browser that they used to be incredibly annoying

<unmatched-paren>and their repo layout to be confusing

<unmatched-paren>i spotted some .cxx files and some .sml

<unmatched-paren>MLton is on github, so i could see that it was ~90% SML

<muurkha>it might be worthwhile to import the SVN repo into Git

<muurkha>sudo apt install git-svn if you're on Debian/Ubuntu

<unmatched-paren>muurkha: yea, i just haven't bothered to

<unmatched-paren>(btw, i'm on Guix, so it'd be `guix install git:svn')

<muurkha>cool!

<slycelote>Last I tried I couldn't find any bootstrapped SML compiler/interpreter

<slycelote>source downloaded with 'apt source smlnj' in Debian contains bootstrap directory with binary files

<unmatched-paren>slycelote: ah, that's a shame

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