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2021-06-15.log

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***ChanServ sets mode: +o janneke
<oriansj>xentrac: the bootstrappable channel modes are: cnt :: c : Strip colour and formatting codes from channel messages.; n : Users outside the channel may not send messages to it. Keep in mind that bans and quiets will not apply to external users. and t : Only channel operators may set the channel topic.
<oriansj>So the only thing that would be impacting you would be n; which only occurs if you exit the channel or try to send a message before rejoining the channel.
<oriansj>Melg8[m]: well I don't really see how the two projects would benefit each other.
<siraben>any updates on freenode? I'm getting reports that they're wiping everything
<vagrantc>oriansj: i see mescc-tools 1.2.0 tag signed by an unfamiliar/new key ... what's my bootstrap path to find the new key? :)
*vagrantc is somewhat surprised there is anything left of freenode
<siraben> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27510523
<siraben>it's over
<siraben>"Thank you for using freenode, and Hello World, from the future. freenode is IRC. freenode is FOSS. freenode is freedom."
<siraben>tack on "freedom is slavery"
<vagrantc>hah
<vagrantc>arg. mescc-tools now has git modules
<vagrantc>is there a release tarball with the M2libc included?
<oriansj>vagrantc: my new git key as of 2021 is: https://paste.debian.net/1201267/ and will be replaced in 2023 with my next git key.
<oriansj>well I don't know how to make github or savannah to include submodules in the built tarballs yet but M2libc does have its own tarball now: https://github.com/oriansj/M2libc/releases
<oriansj>siraben: sounds like someone will have to claim and lock out freenode #bootstrappable again. with a message redirecting them to libera.chat
<siraben>I have unregistered my nick, who is op there?
<oriansj>siraben: well by the looks of it everyone was unregistered.
<oriansj>so no clue
<vagrantc>oriansj: ok, i got your new key from a pastebin ... certainly out-of-band but not sure how bootstrappable :)
<vagrantc>anyways, gotta head.
<vagrantc>happy bootstrapping :)
*vagrantc waves
<siraben>oriansj: uh oh
<siraben>anyone willing to venture out into the smoldering wreck! :P
<clemens3>seems freenode dying quicker than anyone good have bet
<clemens3>good=could
<siraben>indeed so
<siraben>janneke: please set #bootstrappable on libera to invite-only
<siraben>oops i mean
<siraben>on freenode
<janneke>siraben: done...but not sure what's been going on over at freenode
<janneke>was it merely a netsplit that they cannot recover from?
<janneke>all nicks got unregistered, all channel topics got erased ...
<siraben>janneke: they are moving to a new daemon
<siraben>they are deliberately bringing freenode to the ground
<siraben> https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_suicide
<janneke>siraben: omg
<siraben>did you just wake up? 😂
<siraben>it's quieter now that north americans are asleep
<siraben>europeans are in for a time
<janneke>:)
<siraben>as for asia, I woke up to this haha
<janneke>i woke up this morning to find that freenode was empty
<siraben>a disaster by all counts
<janneke>i missed the suicide attempt
<siraben>it's still ongoing, as you've noticed
<janneke>hehe
<janneke>so, the only people left were the occasional users and now they ask everyone to re-connect and re-register
<janneke>luckily i finished the #lilypond registration yesterday :-)
<janneke>siraben: so i probably set +i on the old split; not sure if i want to even log into the new freenode daemon/servers
***ChanServ sets mode: -o janneke
<siraben>I wouldn't bother, it's a free-for-all in terms of impersonating others at that point
***ChanServ sets mode: +o janneke
***dekenevs is now known as mitzman
***mitzman is now known as kitzman
<oriansj>siraben: fair, we just need to make sure to update our documentation to point to libera.chat instead of freenode. recently we updated the website and I think we finished updating the READMEs for the projects. (someone might want to double check)
<xentrac>oriansj: yeah, I am thinking that maybe +c is not doing what it says in that sense. the other channels I'm on are +nt and don't give me that message (so I'm able to change nick from xentrac_ to xentrac without leaving and rejoining the channel)
<xentrac>I mean it sounds like a bug
<stikonas>freenode is completely imploding...
<xentrac>user count?
<stikonas>no, they are resetting all services from scratch
<stikonas>full database wipe
<stikonas> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27510523
<xentrac>that's good
<xentrac>I don't have to worry they'll compromise my password in the future
<stikonas>well, I use different password per account
<stikonas>so compromise wouldn't be that catastrophic
<siraben>despite the amount of discussions and submissions it hasn't been frontpaged on the orange site yet
***terpri is now known as robin
<xentrac>I'm using the same password on libera that I used on the old freenode
<stikonas>not sure if that's a good idea...
<oriansj>xentrac: that is a terrible idea; you really should have globally unique randomly generated passwords that are unique for each service you use.
<oriansj>password managers like keepassxc are readily available
<stikonas>indeed
<siraben>xentrac: I highly recommend you use a password manager and make all your passwords unique
<stikonas>but even if I hadn't been using different passwords, in this particular case it would have been a good idea to change it
<siraben>especially since IRC is essentially a plaintext medium
<stikonas>siraben: password is TLS encrypted, isn't it?
<stikonas>that SASL thingy
<oriansj>stikonas: depends if you connect on the tls port or the clear text port
<oriansj>but anyone with access to the IRC servers in question will have the ability to collect the password used. So best to avoid password reuse when possible.
<stikonas>indeed, so given that it was fairly hostile takeover by questionable people, it's best to change password
<oriansj>As one doesn't want the compromise of one server to enable access to alternate servers. But then again, I am the sort of crazy who has a unique ssh keypair for each server I access.
<xentrac>well, my logic was that libera wasn't "a different service" from freenode
<stikonas>well, libera wasn't but you should consider old credentials leaked
<stikonas>as old servers are not in control of 3rd party
<xentrac>probably
<xentrac>I thought I was the only one who did the unique ssh keypair thing
<xentrac>do you also run unique ssh-agents for them? or do you just present all the keypairs to the ssh server and let it pick which one it wants to authorize?
<stikonas>I think SSH stops checking after 5 or so?
<stikonas>or maybe I'm confusing it with python's paramiko
<stikonas>anyway, ssh key-pairs should be safer as long as public key cryptography is not compromised
<xentrac>it depends on your threat model; public keys you use on github are actually public, so sshd can deanonymize you
<xentrac>it was pretty disconcerting the first time I sshed to a host I hadn't used before and it greeted me with my github username
<siraben>testing
<siraben>wowza
<xentrac>?