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<jackhill>yes, +1 for good deliberation. I also didn't realize that aobut OFTC.

<oriansj>and a reminder the deadline is Sunday (I'll accept the votes as long as sonewhere on the planet it would still be considered Sunday)

<vagrantc>oooh, finally an excuse to use Etc/GMT-14 !

<xentrac>OFTC uses nonfree JS?

<xentrac>...the IRC network?

<xentrac>oh, recaptcha! ugh

<oriansj>xentrac: one of the benefits of a large diverse group. None of us is as informed or capable as all of us are together.

<xentrac>indeed!

<pabs3>xentrac: btw there is a Python tool called librecaptcha for solving reCAPTCHA without running their non-free JS

<pabs3> https://github.com/taylordotfish/librecaptcha

<xentrac>yaye

<pabs3>you're still feeding the Google AI monster, but not using their proprietary code :D

<oriansj>and it isn't exactly something obvious to someone new who wants to just join the community because it looked "neat"

<Hagfish>i don't want my vote to count as much as the people who are actually writing the code, but i would like to give a preference for IRC (and probably this server) because it requires the least disruption

<oriansj>Hagfish: The developers decided to move from freenode. Now it is time for the community to equally provide a perspective which would help ensure the direction of new members joining the community (and thus potentially becoming developers)

<oriansj>Remember any community that doesn't make bringing in new people and helping them become productive members of the community is doomed to a slow death.

<Hagfish>yeah, it's difficult (and quite a responsibility) to vote on behalf of the people who aren't yet in the community

<oriansj>Hagfish: hence why we need the less technical perspective more on this question.

<Hagfish>true, it's not strictly a technical question

<Hagfish>but technical people will have an idea of what chat systems are likely to be convenient for other technical people

<oriansj>Hagfish: we also want to filter towards people who care about the 4 software freedoms

<oriansj>So things that require non-freedom are something we should avoid and actively discourage.

<Hagfish>yeah, that should prevent the project from straying from its goals

<oriansj>Hence why the request for discord to be considered was eliminated without discussion.

<Hagfish>absolutely

<Hagfish>hopefully this project will outlast Discord, too :)

<oriansj>we can always change in the future if something meaningful changes. Hence why explaining for the conditional responses allows us to know if something meaningful for enough people has occurred.

*pabs3 +1 to IRC and either libera or OFTC (repro builds is on OFTC btw)

*pabs3 just a lurker though

<oriansj>pabs3: you still count

<oriansj>and your perspective is meaningful and important to the future health of the project.

<oriansj>Developers make the short term decisions because they are the ones who bare the burden of doing the short term work. Long term decisions are the responsiblity of *EVERYONE HERE* because we have to work together to achieve our mutual goals.

<oriansj>It doesn't matter if you are a lurker, a documentation writer, a distro packager or someone who just likes to discuss this technical work. You are a valuable part of this community and help shape it into one where new people feel welcome and where they can learn what is needed to be members of this community.

<oriansj>But now is where we need you to have a voice and share your persectives so we can ensure this community stays the supportive, caring and considerate home we have all come to love. Make sure to vote before the close of the vote on sunday.

<Hagfish>i may have missed the process for voting, if it isn't to just leave a comment in here

<oriansj>Hagfish: here is the short version: https://paste.debian.net/1198887/ basically post my vote and a link to your vote.

<pabs3>my vote https://paste.debian.net/1198963/

<Hagfish>here's mine then: https://paste.debian.net/1198964/

<Hagfish>i wanted to tactically vote against matrix, but i also didn't want to hold people back from using a generally more secure protocol (especially if those people are writing code for this project)

<Hagfish>perhaps that makes me "Obstain, Biased", if that's the same as "Obstain, personal reasons"

<stikonas>oriansj: https://paste.debian.net/1198989/

<siraben>here's my vote http://ix.io/3o0m

<siraben>even though I'm on matrix, another split would fragment us too mcuh

<stikonas>yeah, same here, I'm on matrix too, but even desktop clients are not as good as IRC clients

<laanwj>at least matrix can be bridged to IRC fairly easily (though it doesn't work for libera yet at the moment)

<qyliss>it will very soon though!

<qyliss>I heard today

<laanwj>yes the matrix team is working on it it must be a very much requested feature at the moment

<siraben>qyliss: ooh how soon?

<qyliss>siraben: I mean, I heard it'll be available today

<qyliss>they're currently testing it