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<rekado>I’ve been thinking that maybe we should do a little more publicity work to let people know about the successes of the past 2 years. <rekado>what do you think about adding a blog to bootstrappable.org? <OriansJ>rekado: I prefer slow growth actually <janneke>one thing that i was hoping/planning for, is to make some noise when the x86 bootstrap has been integrated <rekado>I think this is too cool to keep quiet about it. <janneke>i agree -- but it's much easier to "shout" when we have something released that people can inspect, and we're *very close* <janneke>i'm abivalent about blogging; i really like the idea but i'm feeling a bit hesitant about making a commitment <janneke>i feel much more relaxed after the mes 0.17 release "it is done, the rest is polishing" <rekado>I wouldn’t want to force a regular announcement schedule upon anyone. <janneke>so, i'm much more open to the idea than half a year ago, and i think there's much to gain from creating more exposure <rekado>I just think that it would be good to have some progress reports once in a while for interested outsiders. <janneke>in a way, my mes release announcements were kind of a blog, maybe :-) <OriansJ>rekado: We do that when we have releases <janneke>yes...so if i keep those announcements real short and put the stories in a blog, that would work <rekado>would you mind if I collected the announcements from the mailing list and served them up on the website? <OriansJ>I really don't have time for a blog, plus the amount of information one needs to understand stage0 could fit on the back of a postcard with lots of room to spare. <rekado>okay. I might do that at some point. <OriansJ>akkartik: your issues have been addressed in the recent M2-Planet commit, thank you for letting me know :D <OriansJ>janneke: I guess the next big question is when do we make mescc-tools a GNU project? <janneke>OriansJ: i'm wondering...maybe mescc-tools should be part of stage0? <OriansJ>well stage0 was designed to be the platform specific ports of mescc-tools. <janneke>i think we should wait a bit, mes is a fresh gnu project <OriansJ>and M2-Planet could easily be merged into mescc-tools <janneke>if and when this bootstrap idea has caught on @GNU, it will be obvious and easy to make the whole bootstrap GNU <janneke>but if you want to go for it now, i'm all for it <janneke>possibly when we have mes.M2 working/finished, that would be a perfect time <OriansJ>janneke: clearly a great deal about bootstrapping and writing a C compiler and a Lisp interpreter ;-D <rain1>you could take a break for now <rain1>you've been working very hard <rain1>and this current result is awesome <OriansJ>rain1: well a vacation is planned, during which time I'll be completely unplugged <OriansJ>Although I must admit, I have some ambitious goals for M2-Planet v1.1.0 <janneke>i found #glibc, and got some useful information <janneke>possibly the most obvious thing: what i'm trying to do is "unusual" and possibly has never been done <janneke>building a new glibc, using a gcc that was built with a very old glibc <janneke>i didn't imagine the issue could be there <janneke>the most certain recipe is to just work our way up the versions, building contemporary versions of binutils, glibc, and gcc <janneke>in any case, the jump that i'm attempting is probably too far out <janneke>but i didn't imagine that using older gcc's could help... <OriansJ>I'm currently attempting to figure out how >| followed by >> results in losing the >| <janneke>OriansJ: what is >|, how is: "> seed.M1" not good enough? <janneke>anyway, why not add a: "cat seed.M1" in between to inspect what's going on? <OriansJ>>| is the same as > but will still overwrite files if you have set -o noclobber <OriansJ>in between, it is exactly what one would expect <OriansJ>yet somehow writing to standard out, the fopen is reseting the file pointer in seed.M1 <janneke>and doing really silly: vm --rom > seed-2.M1; cat seed.M1 seed-2.M1 > seed-both.M1 <janneke>then use that workaround, add a comment about being flabbergasted and wait until the lymbic system (or the internet) presents the solution... *janneke does see how unsatisfactory this probably feels <OriansJ>unless you know a simple way to prefix a block of text ontop of a text file <janneke>i have no idea what's going on -- looks like magic <janneke>maybe take a few hours off and have a fresh look tomorrow?