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<apteryx>is there any way to figure out which modules should be purged to get around an ABI mismatch error? So far I'm just running make clean-go and rebuilding the whole tree, but this takes ages. <apteryx>it'd be great if the ABI mismtach hint would suggest such command :-) or purge the faulty compiled modules itself and re-attempt compilation fo rus <tune>started updates before bed. looks like waybar failed to build <tune>../source/include/modules/clock.hpp:5:10: fatal error: fmt/time.h: No such file or directory <tune>from build log, seems to be the error <tune>did another pull and update and waybar still fails to build <tune>I'll do an update without it for now <tune>is there anything I can read on the state of ARM support for Guix System? <tune>I am interested in running Guix System on some sort of ARM device in the future <rekado_>truby: building Guile outside of Guix is done fairly quickly, as long as you already have a version of Guile. But in Guix we bootstrap Guile using its own Scheme interpreter that’s written in C. <rekado_>truby: so there are several passes, and one of them involves interpreting lots of Scheme code, which is not fast. <rekado_>using an existing Guile during the build would speed this up dramatically. <rekado_>Actually, I do wonder why we aren’t using the bootstrap Guile to build the later Guile. <janneke_>rekado_: bootstrap-guile is 2.0.9, would that work? ***janneke_ is now known as janneke
<janneke>hmm, and it seems %bootstrap-guile is an input for guile-final *janneke is starting to wonder how this works <janneke>;; Remove the pre-built object files. Instead, build everything <raghavgururajan>After `guix pull`, I usually run `guix upgrade --dry-run` to check which derivations will be built. If I find heavy ones like icecat, evolution, calibre, kodi, qtwebkit etc., what is the general rule of thumb waiting period for the substitutes to be available for those packages, before I re-run `guix upgrade`? Assuming I will not be doing another `guix pull` during the waiting. <tune>maybe 1-3 days, but I don't know for sure <tune>I sometimes wait out icecat/webkit/rust updates, but I haven't kept track of timing <rekado_>raghavgururajan: I suggest checking for the packages you’re interested in on ci.guix.gnu.org to see if builds for them are scheduled. <raghavgururajan>rekado_ Thanks! I tried looking at it, but it appears names mentioned there are not package names? <tune>is that p2p substitute thing being worked on? <rekado_>I don’t know of any current work on it. <tune>I'm starting to wish there was a guix wiki to keep better tabs on what all is happening <rekado_>if something isn’t listed there you can assume that no work on that issue is ongoing. <rekado_>(the search is still pretty limited there. If someone’s willing to work on improving it I can provide guidance.) ***ng0_ is now known as ng0
<rekado_>raghavgururajan: it does that sometimes, please try now *rekado_ updates R packages again <roptat>civodul, I translated the news entries <roptat>I tried to use "tu" as you did on the first news entry, but it sounds weird <roptat>I really feel like I'm talking to a child when I do that... <civodul>i guess we're used to viewing this as childish, but it's not like that when we talk to each other <civodul>but anyway, you have to pick our battles, so you're free to drop that one ;-) <roptat>it's weird how it sounds childish when it comes from a software, but totally normal from a human being :) <jonsger>roptat: does it sound better with "on" instead of "tu" <rekado_>raghavgururajan: you can also limit the search to a “spec” and “system”, such as “icecat spec:guix-master system:x86_64-linux” <rekado_>raghavgururajan: this will give you the lastest builds for the “master” branch on x86_64 systems <rekado_>you can’t yet see directly what commit this belongs to, but the guix data service will make this easier in the future. <roptat>jonsger, sounds better, but then we can't use an imperative <roptat>maybe it could become "Sur le système Guix, on peut ajuster le champ locale-libcs de la forme operating-system. On lancera info guix.fr pour plus de détails" with a future tense instead of the imperative <roptat>it's not childish, but it sounds a bit weird <jonsger>roptat: the first sentence sounds good for me, but the second sounds weird :P <refpga>Hello, what is the syntax for running an macron job at every reboot? <refpga>I need to run a service, but until I figure out how to define it using herd, I need it runnig on every reboot. <civodul>refpga: i don't think there's a way to run an mcron job at reboot time <civodul>but you can probably achieve the same result with a one-shot shepherd service <divansan`>anyone around that would know how to get an internal gsm modem to work? <divansan`>networkmanage/modermanager not detecting the modem. I can see it /dev/cdc-wdm0 though. <divansan`>Not sure if usb_modeswitch is working correctly. <tune>I seem to be struggling to modify my PATH to include ~/bin. what file is likely to be overriding my PATH? I try to set it in my .profile and it doesn't seem to be going through <truby>is it possible to locally bump the gcc version used to build all packages? (I realise that I couldn't use substitutions in this case) <civodul>truby: setting PATH in .profile or .bash_profile should work <civodul>it's possibly to locally bump the GCC being used by changing your definition of gnu-build-system, for instance <truby>I mean when building packages with guix install ... etc. That won't use a gcc from my path right? it'll use gcc5 from guix <civodul>because some things won't work out of the box with a newer gcc, etc. <civodul>right, the state of your machine (what you installed) does not influence how packages are built <truby>it's just that on AArch64 gcc's codegen has improved a lot since gcc5, so I was wondering if I could choose to switch to a newer gcc <truby>but I guess it isn't that easy :) <civodul>truby: the "core-updates" branch we're about to merge (i hope!) uses GCC 7 <civodul>e.g., with "guix pull --branch=core-updates" <civodul>plus we need more people testing on AArch64, so your feedback will be welcome! <truby>yeah, happy to help! We're looking at using guix at work so that we devs have isolated environments from each other on shared servers, because people keep sudo apt-get installing stuff and breaking someone else's workflow heh <truby>civodul: so far though the experience has been good on AArch64, haven't hit any issues that I didn't get on x86_64 too. Although it seems many less substitutions are available; guix pull takes maybe half an hour after a day of not running it :-) <truby>When I look at some packages, the current release version is just called package-name and then older versions inherit that, but for some the main version is called package-name-version and there's a (define package-name package-name-version) in the file.. is there any preference on which to use or does it not matter at all? <nckx>truby: It's a somewhat subjective gamble about what will cause the least trouble/maintenance work in future, and what ‘makes sense’. ‘The default GCC’ is a switch we want to easily flip once in a while; some old crufty library required for a handful of packages: not so much. <truby>nckx: that makes sense, I was just looking at the llvm package and that uses llvm-8 as the main variable and then (define-public llvm llvm-8) which... seems wrong to me as I can't see why you wouldn't want to bump the 'default llvm' every 6 months? In the same way as gcc <nckx>Why not? (Genuine question.) <idnull>also, I've compiled k8vavoom as a RelWithDebugInfo (the default one, yes) but gdb shows that there is no debug symbols. as a side note how can I select the default gcc for building packages? <nckx>(native-inputs `(("gcc" ,gcc-X))) ; or do you mean for your entire system? <truby>Sorry, I think my phrasing was confusing. I meant that you would want to bump it every time there's a new release <nckx>I'd say input rewriting (see manual), and *lots* of CPU cycles, but I haven't actually tested that with build-system packages like GCC. <idnull>nckx: if you're asking me, then for the whole system, yes. I still want to build the system from scratch, maybe I should redefine packages then& <nckx>truby: Maybe (I can't speak for whomever wrote it like that) exactly because it allows you to decouple adding an llvm-9, & letting it mature, from making it the default? Or I misunderstand. <truby>at least, I don't see a reason not to really, things that depend on LLVM as a library should ask for a specific version already as LLVM's libraries provide absolutely 0 guarantee of backwards compat :-) <nckx>idnull: Input rewriting is the way to do that, in general, I'm just not sure if there are gotchas involved when rewriting implicit inputs like GCC. <nckx>truby: Heh, that's my practicial experience with LLVM all right, but I'm not an authority on it. <truby>oh, possibly that's why it was done that way. I didn't think of that :-) but isn't that equally easy to do the other war around? perhaps not. Anyway, I was only asking because I have a fix for some stuff in the llvm package, plus a version bump, and was wondering what the best format to put that in was <truby>I guess the answer is "stick to how the package already does it" <tune>no iwd package yet? I hear it's a lot nicer to use than wpa_supplicant <idnull>I haven't tested it yet as I am trying to package doom source-port now <tune>it's not urgent, I am just reading about it now and it seems cool <tune>I'll be glad if you submit it to the repo at some point <apteryx>Hmm; I'm hitting some problem I can't seem to solve: warning: failed to load '(gnu tests install)':\nIn procedure abi-check: #<record-type <file-system>>: record ABI mismatch; recompilation needed <apteryx>Yes, I've modified the <file-system> record; but I've ran 'make clean-go', then 'make' and it bulids completely fine, then 'make check-system TESTS=btrfs-root-os' triggers the problem again. <civodul>apteryx: you need to recompile gnu/tests/install.go specifically <civodul>now why "make clean-go" isn't enough, i'm not sure <apteryx>but it was compiled anew by 'make' after 'make clean-go' (I see it in the list of GUILEC'd files: [ 98%] GUILEC gnu/tests/install.go) <apteryx>lemme try deleting its .go and running make again <apteryx>anyway, thanks a lot! I was about to pull my hairs ;-) <idnull>is there a way to apply a patch using something like git cherrypick? <walker0101>I'm trying to install guix on aarch64, and after installing via the script and running the guix daemon as root, when I try `guix pull` I get an error: <walker0101>guix pull: error: Git error: corrupted loose reference file: refs/heads/master <apteryx>err, more like 'git apply', for patches <civodul>walker0101: Guix keeps a cache of Git checkouts under ~/.cache/guix <civodul>it could be that this checkout was corrupted for some reason <civodul>so you could "rm -rf ~/.cache/guix" and try again <idnull>so i can do something like that ;;(patches (search-patches "/home/id0/git/packages/st/st.patch")) but with git? <apteryx>idnull: these patches are not git specific, so you can either use 'git apply /home/id0/git/packages/st/st.patch' or 'patch -p1 < /home/id0/git/packages/st/st.patch' while the CWD is the root of the sources of 'st'. <idnull>oh, sorry I misguided you. I want to apply patch from a separate repo <idnull>is this normal? -rpath,::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ../libs/imago/libimago.a ../libs/timidity/libtimidity.a ../libs/vavoomc/libvavoomc.a ../libs/core/libcore.a -lGL -L/gnu/store/gvklki5c47d7lp12vh8nindvv94mcbs1-sdl2-2.0.10/lib -Wl,-rpath,/gnu/store/gvklki5c47d7lp12vh8nindvv94mcbs1-sdl2-2.0.10/lib -Wl,--enable-new-dtags -lSDL2 -lfluidsynth -lFLAC++ -lFLAC -lmad ../libs/xmplite/libxmplite.a -lopusfile <idnull>-lopus -logg -lvorbis -logg -lopenal -pthread <apteryx>idnull: what is New Moon? I Guix package? <idnull>apteryx: New Moon is a PaleMoon without official branding <idnull>I want to package k8avoom and New Moon, now New Moon is working with a few exceptions (not a default browser) <apteryx>I see! It's a browser you're attempting to package <apteryx>idnull: to go back to your 'search-patches' question, the patches should go in guix-checkout/gnu/packages/patches <apteryx>ah, and you'd like to apply a patch that comes from online sources, IIUC? <apteryx>OK, so apparently it's supported to use an <origin> record in the place of a patch file name. I found such an example for our gnumach-headers package. <apteryx>has anyone experienced such error: en@boldquot.po:2849: format specifications in 'msgstr[0]' are not a subset of those in 'msgid_plural'? <civodul>apteryx: there have been reports of these <civodul>may have to do with the recent (guix scripts pull) changes, IIUC <civodul>i've greatly simplified the UI: only ";;guix environment" is left <nckx><civodul> nckx: your overdrives are unreachable, could you take a look? <nckx>My client says that was y'day. <nckx>My client also says I have 13 *minutes* of lag, so take that with a potato. <roptat>civodul, one of the strings is "~*One ..." with a plural of "~a ...", and gettext counts ~a as a placeholder, but not ~* <roptat>so there's a mismatch between the number of arguments in the singular and plural forms <roptat>the issue might be related to the fact that it uses a parser for lisp format strings, not something specific to guile <roptat>and probably lisp doesn't have ~* <civodul>we can just change "~*One" to "~a ", then? <idnull> /gnu/store/fl398h9d1cavd0anmf7liq1vycxrv8gg-gcc-9.1.0/include/c++/cstdlib:75:15: fatal error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory how to fix this? <apteryx>idnull: are you using the gnu-build-system to build your package? <idnull>i used ("gcc-toolchain" ,gcc-toolchain-9))) <idnull>as I need gcc>=6 to build a package <nckx>idnull: gcc-toolchain is for ‘humans’; have you tried just ("gcc" ,gcc-9)? ***strawberry is now known as paprika
<paprika>I'm getting an error in GPA when I try to generate a new key <paprika>and it seems like I'm missing a package? <paprika>[GPA 0.10.0, GPGME 1.13.1, GnuPG 2.2.17] <paprika>gpg: agent_genkey failed: No pinentry <paprika>gpg: key generation failed: No pinentry <paprika>I've tried intalling the pinentry package but that didn't solve anything <nckx>paprika: Then you're not missing a package, but you're missing ‘pinentry-program /home/nckx/.guix-profile/bin/pinentry-tty’ in .gnupg/gpg-agent.conf assuming you're using the agent. <nckx>(‘use-agent’ in .gnupg/gpg.conf). <nckx>If you're not, the solution is probably the same but different. <paprika>so I just put plain 'use-agent' in gpg.conf? <nckx>If you're using the graphical pinentry package, omit -tty. <nckx>Using the agent avoids a pinentry dialogue on *every single* gpg operation. <paprika>Ehh, I must've done something wrong, I still get the same error <nckx>paprika: Just use-agent, on its own, no fancy characters. <nckx>GPG should then auto-start it when run. <nckx>It's also part of the same gnupg package, so there's nothing to install aside from a pinentry. <paprika>I put use-agent in both .gnupg/gpg-agent.conf and .gnupg/gpg.conf <nckx>It doesn't belong in -agent.conf. What does your ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf say? <nckx>See ‘pinentry-program <path to your ~/.guix-profile's pinentry>’ above. <nckx>In my case it's pinentry-tty. <nckx>I think you also need to ‘pkill gpg-agent’ after editing the file to make it start with the new configuration. <paprika>instead of changing it to my own username... <apteryx>idnull: maybe check 'nlohmann-json-cpp' in serialization.scm <apteryx>it uses gcc-9, and unsets some environment variable that may be problematic when using another gcc version. <idnull>ty!!! I'll try, I want this engine to be working <nckx>paprika: Hehe 🙂 Glad I could help. <krusnus>hey all. how do i get networking/internet to work without %desktop-services? ive tried adding dhcp-client-service-type to my config but it doesn't work <idnull>now there is one more doom port, all I need is to upstream this somehow <idnull>I don't know about upstreaming New Moon though (I should implement uxp-icecat as they have the same codebase if i recall correctly) <nckx>krusnus: That depends entirely on what you mean by ‘networking/internet to work’. E.g. I have (service network-manager-service-type) (service wpa-supplicant-service-type) up in my (services …). <nckx>Peeps who prefer connman, will not. <krusnus>nckx sorry i should have been more clear. Im using a wired connection <nckx>krusnus: No need to be sorry. NM handles wired connections too, though, so that doesn't really narrow it down. <nckx>If you mean static, there's a service for that. <nckx>I don't use it anymore (even my servers use dhcp-client-service-type — another option!) so I can't paste a working example. <krusnus>nckx Oh ok. i have no idea of the differences between different types of nwtwork services (dhcp, NM and all that) but i usually use dhcp on my wired setups (at least i did when i used arch) but when i add (service dhcp-client-service-type) guix complains about it being an unbuound variable <krusnus>and yes i have loaded (gnu services networking) *nckx double-checks at the REPL. <nckx>krusnus: Any possibility of a typo, anywhere? <nckx>Or that the error is subtly about something else? <nckx>Feel free to pastebin anything relevant. *nckx → AFK for a short while tho'. <krusnus>ive pastebined my use modules and service stuff here pastebin.com/qWsrwyWt *nckx should stop using ‘pastebin’ as a generic word, because pastebin.com's ruined it. <nckx>krusnus: Just so y'know, next time please use paste.debian.net. 🙂 <paprika>nckx, would you like to help me test my PGP key? <nckx>Sure, wanna send me mail? <paprika>I can send you my public key and then you can encrypt whatever message you want and send that back? <krusnus>nckx Ok thanks! this is basically the third time im even on an irc so im still learning what best practices are when asking for help :) <nckx>krusnus: It's a #guix-specific request (pastebin.com has freedom &/or privacy issues, I forget what); it's in the topic but some clients make that easy to miss. <nckx>krusnus: Would you be willing to paste the entire .scm file? Then I can just ‘guix system build …’ it and try random stuff. <bavier>idnull: does k8vavoom really need gcc-9? <nckx>idnull: 1) You'll have to submit it as a patch to games.scm, not its own file 2) indent it (using C-M-q in emacs or etc/indent-code.el in the guix tree 3) I don't think MODULES in SOURCE is needed? 4) move build-system above arguments 5) expand the description (and make it a real full sentence ;-) 6) Is there a… better-looking home page? 7) we can't package ‘master’, choose a tag or commit if there are no releases (although that might make it hard to ups <nckx>tream — we prefer released software); you can't ‘skip’ sha256 8) lots of stuff I forgot I'm sure. <idnull>bavier: it should work with gcc-6, it segfaults for reasons unknown on gcc-5 (I'll try to debug it later) <nckx>krusnus: dhcp*D*-client does not exist 🙂 <nckx>I could have got that from your original but I am the typo(reado?)master myself. <bavier>idnull: I forget the details, but one of our more recent gcc's should work without having to unset those path variables <krusnus>nckx oh my god thanks!! I feel so stupid. been looking at that for legit 10 mina looking for a typo lol. ill try it again now :) <bavier>idnull: include comments for '#:tests? #f' and '#:strip-binaries? #f' <idnull>ah, I'll remove second one and there is no make check <idnull>I added #strip,f because I couldn't get debug symbols working (too stupid I am) <bavier>idnull: it's nice to get some of these things proofed before submission to guix-patches <bavier>(and some people watch irc more than guix-patches...) <idnull>I hope to add New Moon and UXP-IceCat too, but it will take more time <bricewge>Trivial question how do you apply a patch from the mailling list? <bricewge>I have `curl -OL $patch` and then `git am $path-file` but the encoding seems messed up <idnull>nckx: about homepage, there is no such a page. No one created it and this is a one-man project which I help testing <bricewge>Note, I don't have the email in my inbox with the attachement. <pkill9>oh, depends on your email client, and if the sender used an attachment or put it in the message body of the email <nckx>idnull: Oh, I know it's a primarily ‘forum-driven’ project (I've read about it before). I was just hoping there was something more… stateless. <nckx>bricewge: Get it from where? <idnull>I don't have time to create a web page nor ketmar <nckx>I'm not asking you to, just asking if… <bricewge>bavier: It returns `Patch format detection failed` <bavier>bricewge: 'git am' read from stdin, so you need to pipe the patch to it <pkill9>it's because it has a bunch of email headers at the top <nckx>bricewge: Remove the first bogus > line. <nckx>The rest are part of the patch. <nckx>Then I get: error: guix/import/github.scm: patch does not apply | error: Did you hand edit your patch? <nckx>idnull: If you can ‘defend’ that home page on the ML (and it seems you can; I do see your point), go ahead and submit it. It's unconventional but the conventional choice — a link to the git web view — would be less informative. <apteryx>in a system test: file-size: /gnu/store/kw357rqfm7kw4rhx1sbakw3jc4zpi6gy-nss-certs-3.45/etc/ssl/certs/NetLock_Arany_=Class_Gold=_F??tan??s??tv??ny:2.6.73.65.44.228.0.16.pem: No such file or directory <nckx>Just be prepared for others to ask the same annoying thing 🙂 <idnull>nckx: ty! I'll make ait a patch to git then and fix other things like indent one. <nckx>idnull: Thinking about it some more, we should just make sure that the description is so good that people don't need to visit the home page. ;-) <nckx>You can use elements from both links you posted for that. <nckx>Describing packages like these is never fun, because it's hard to find a balance between ‘foodoom is a form of bardoom by baz but with a new shader algo by buz1996’ and ‘What's Doom? Doom is a first-person shooter…’. <nckx>bricewge: I downloaded it myself, I wasn't accusing you of editing anything, git was. <nckx>It's really an encoding issue: look at the ©, it contains bogus. <bricewge>Is it a common issue, malformed patch, with the mailing list workflow? I'm new to it. <bricewge>I tired `iconv -f ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8` to solve the encoding problem, to no avail. <nckx>bricewge: It's common because nobody (IME) bothers applying patches like this because they know it's likely to be a crapfest. <nckx>It's a server problem. I think the issue (looking at curl -LI …) is that there's no encoding specified at all. <nckx>bricewge: Even with that iconv it still looks wrong? <nckx>bricewge: I wish I had a nicer answer. <nckx>bricewge: Never mind, thought you meant ‘git won't accept even the fixed file’. <truby>can you override a dependency in a package you depend on? I.e. I need to build my package with a specific gcc, and I also need one of my dependencies to be built with that same gcc <bavier>truby: I think it's the 'package-input-rewriting' procedure you need <bricewge>nckx: The encoding was `quoted-printable`. I managed to apply the patch by getting the mbox file, converting it ot mdir with `mb2md`, extracting the attachement with `munpack` and applaying it with `git am`. <bavier>bricewge: glad you figured it out <pinoaffe>is there a way to check whether one srfi-19 date is before another? <pinoaffe>I couldn't find anything looking through the documentation <pinoaffe>nevermind, found something on schemers.org that wasn't in the guile docs <bavier>oh, i see, could use the time comparison functions with date->time-utc probably <vixus>Hi all, I've got a slightly customised install.scm defining an operating-system that inherits from installation-os. I was wondering if I could also get the installation disk image to build with some of my own files in /etc. I tried appending an etc-service to %installation-services but the latter isn't exported by the gnu/system/install module. Any ideas? <sneek>Welcome back vixus, you have 1 message. *nckx wonders how old that message is. ***jje_ is now known as jje
<nckx>bricewge: Great to hear! (And I'll jot that down for myself, too.) <nckx>vixus: You can ‘force-import’ symbols with (@@ (gnu system install) %installation-services). It looks ugly to remind you that it is ugly, and you should be doing something else instead, but it's a handy hammer if there's no other way. ***strawberry is now known as Guest77935
<jlicht>Does anyone else have a lot of "Name or service not known"-esque messages when using a Guix system under load? <jlicht>* while using okay-but-not-perfect WiFi connections <jlicht>I finally figured out that I can `herd invalidate nscd hosts' to at least invalidate the cache with borked entries once this happens, but it would be nice to not have this happen at all :/ ***wopwop is now known as nootboot
<nootboot>hey everyone i was just wondering how one would go about configuring Xorg in a way that doesn't require a login manager? the reference manual say that "there is not Xorg service; instead, the X server is started by a “display manager”" but i would be verry surprised if there waasnt a way to do this <emacsomancer>I was finally able to get guix to install (on top of a foreign distro) on a raspberry pi. (A year or two ago I had no luck with this.) <jlicht>nootboot: Alex Kost used to do something like that. <nootboot>jlicht huh why is that? maybe i wasnt clear about my intentions but i just want xorgg to start with a simple startx as one would with any other system but the X Window entry in the manual is written as though login manager is the only option <nootboot>seems to me like that should be easier to do than to use GDM <jlicht>in that sense, I guess you could have a look at Ludo's suggestion at the end of that ML discussion and look into writing a startx-service <nckx>nootboot: I assume that you do, but if you wouldn't want X to start automatically you can use ‘xorg-start-command’ to create a /bin/startx. 
