<mikadoZero>What am I supposed to put for PACKAGE in `guix lint PACKAGE`? <evhan>Hi folks. Does there exist anything like nixos-infect for guix? That is, a script that will replace a running host OS with Guix, in-place. <evhan>Sorry if this is documented somewhere and I couldn't find it. <rekado_>evhan: we simply install Guix and run “guix system init /” <mikadoZero>ngz: Where is the Guix source tree? Where does my modified version of emacs-xyz.scm need to be located? <ngz>mikadoZero: I assumed you had cloned the Guix repository and modified "emacs-xyz.scm" there. <mikadoZero>ngz: Yes that is what I should have done. I will now. <evhan>rekado_: Hmmmm, that looks promising. Looking into it. <rvgn>DOUBT! Are docker (daemon and engine) and its tools (compose and machine) free software? <mikadoZero>rvgn: Take a closer look at the pieces you are interested in but it looks like a lot of thing listed on github.com/docker are listed as apache 2. <evhan>rekado_: OK, looks like I can run with this. Thank you! <mikadoZero>rvgn: gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html says Apache 2 is a free software license. <mikadoZero>I have cloned the guix repository and added emacs-ace-link to emacs-xyz.scm in the cloned repository. In the root of the repository these comands are not working for me: <mikadoZero>`./pre-inst-evn guix lint emacs-ace-link` says no pre-inst-env. <mikadoZero>`guix lint emacs-ace-link` says unknown package. ***daviid is now known as Guest31336
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<evhan>rekado: I guess I need to move some stuff out of the way before rebooting? I'm running into ERROR: In procedure symlink: File exists when populating /etc from /gnu/store/[...]-etc. <evhan>rekado: While symlinking /etc/ssl it seems from the backtrace. ***vagrantc_ is now known as vagrantc
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<g_bor>Is there a way to access stdout and stderr of a command that is invoked? <g_bor>never mind, I have it already... <g_bor>It was just earlier in the output. <g_bor>I am trying to create a script like we have for the website, but for the videos. <g_bor>fc-cache is failing, as it tries to write to the store. <rekado>you can provide a different configuration file, I think. <g_bor>Now the shell scripts work fine, so I'm not in a hurry, but would be nice to get it working. <g_bor>I can supply a sysrootdir, the it misses a config file, what I can supply. <g_bor>rekado: I accidentally pushed and unsigned commit to the video repository. What is the protocol to get that straightened? <rekado>g_bor: there is no way other than to rewrite history, which I think is not an option. <civodul>too bad we didn't make it for this Outreachy round <g_bor>civodul,rekado: I just got a mail from gnu-soc, that we can register our GSoC mentors. <g_bor>rekado: I came to the same conclusion regarding the repo, sorry about that. I will be more careful next time. <civodul>g_bor: re GSoC, cool! i hope some of us will volunteer this time <rekado>python-matplotlib-documentation fails to build. I wanted to replace texlive with a texlive-union, but it doesn’t build with either of them. <rekado>already patched it a bit and added inputs, but it still fails to build the PDF. <rekado>I’m tempted to remove the PDF output and be satisfied with just the HTML output. <rekado>would be better than a broken package. <notnotdan[m]>yeah. plus requiring a massive tex installation is a bit of a downside i guess? <civodul>rekado: removing the PDF output sounds good to me <civodul>we don't usually provide documentation in PDF in our packages <civodul>i don't think it makes much sense for on-line use <rekado>notnotdan[m]: not requiring a massive tex installation is the point of texlive-union. <rekado>civodul: okay, I’ll try to fix this today <civodul>it seems to have a new image format called "SIF" <civodul>and it's apparently been rewritten in Go <nckx>‘Singularity 3.0 introduces the abilities to create and manage PGP keys and use them to sign and verify containers. This provides a trusted method for Singularity users to share containers. It ensures a bit-for-bit reproduction of the original container as the author intended it.’ <nckx>What's better than blobs? Signed blobs! <civodul>if it's signed, then you have guaranteed bit-for-bit reproduction <civodul>and of course, if it's signed, it's secure :-) <roptat>I think I found a way to translate the website, but it means that we need to change most of the files :/ <civodul>roptat: perhaps that's the price to pay! <roptat>basically, I add a _ sxml tag, so gettext can find translatable strings. <roptat>then I use a modified version of make-page that creates one page per locale, using gettext to replace the content of that _ tag <civodul>note that you can use any tag and then tell xgettext to search for that tag <roptat>I just need it to not be a valid html tag :) <civodul>it could be a no-op macro or function <roptat>it can't be a function because then it's not executed at the right time <roptat>I need to change the locale settings at runtime <civodul>too bad we have to change the process locale instead of just passing the language as an argument to gettext <roptat>and the content must be an html string (for instance if it contains a link, it must contain it in html form, not sxml) <roptat>yes, I was inspired by the discussions that took place on the mailing list <civodul>and there was the idea that we should somehow validate those strings beforehand <civodul>you could produce invalid HTML in the end <roptat>in my case it's converted back to sxml <civodul>so it'd bee good to ensure that these strings contain valid HTML <roptat>because sxml->html would remove all the tags in the strings <civodul>so authors would have to escape ampersands and the likes? <roptat>I think they should use the html code, like "&" <roptat>but sxml->html doesn't understand sxml entities... <roptat>I still need to find how to properly internationalize and link blog posts <roptat>there doesn't seem to be any ampersand on the guix website though <roptat>except for a blog title which I can't translate anyway <rekado>civodul: re Singularity: admins are totally buying this kind of PR, unfortunately. <rekado>About texlive: we only have one package left that uses the big texlive package: Octave. Tried to replace it, but I haven’t been very successful yet. <rekado>the lack of error messages makes this quite hard to debug. <civodul>it's good that there's only one package left tho! <civodul>roptat: for blog posts i guess we could have separate files, like .fr.md, and have manual machinery (no gettext) <roptat>civodul, then the generated page are, for instance index.html (default locale), index.en.html, index.fr.html, ... <roptat>civodul, yes, that's what I was thinking <civodul>it would be nice to have the default be English, regardless of the current locale <civodul>and have URLs like /en, /fr, rather than index.fr.html, etc. <roptat>I tried that already on my website: the browser locale is detected and the right file is served. index.html is served only when no browser locale matches the list of available locales <roptat>so if you prefer breton over french over english, you'll get the content of index.fr.html when you ask index.html <roptat>and there's a cookie that's set when you visit expilcitly index.eo.html for instance, that makes sure that you will get the esperanto version of the pages you visit next <roptat>I don't know if that's the best solution, since it requires a lot of server support <civodul>roptat: it sounds like the "right" solution in terms of interface, but i agree that it'd need a bit of work server-side <civodul>rekado: i'll do the CVS thing for cmarusich' blog post if that's fine with you <rekado>I remember doing this a while ago. <civodul>then maybe you didn't commit all the files? <civodul>i usually do "cvs ci" at the top level <civodul>are you sure /guix.html in your checkout refers to the new post? <rekado>hmm, it’s just missing on the front page. <mikadoZero>On savannah.gnu.org/git/?group=guix there is a typo I think represenging should be representing. What mailing list should I submit this to? <civodul>mikadoZero: or just guix-devel@gnu.org <nckx>Who has write access to that stuff? (I don't.) <rvgn>Do anyone know best alternative for docker? I would like to deploy multiple apps with one host using containerization. I want things to be modular and simple. Since there docker images are pre-made and easy to deploy, are there any close alternative to that? <mikadoZero>In regards to rvgn question about a docker alternative. How well would `guix environment --container` work? <efraim>maybe emacs-minimal doesn't need module support? <efraim>ok, i'm testing a fix for emacs-minimal <mikadoZero>I just did `guix pull` and `guix system reconfigure`. emacs-minimal-26.1 failed with exit code 1. emacs-guix-0.5.1.1 1 dependencies couldn't be built. emacs-guix-0.5.1.1 failed. <mikadoZero>When I get error like this doing a system reconfiguration should I search the bug database and if its not there submit it to the bug-guix mailing list? <rvgn>@mikadoZero Thanks for the support :) <mikadoZero>A guix pull takes a while for me. I looked at the manual section `Invoking guix pull`. Is there a way to take a subset of what `guix pull` fetches. Could I for example exclude packages for graphical user interface programs? <rekado>mikadoZero: no, that’s not possible. <rekado>we’re trying to reduce the number of modules that need to be compiled for guix pull, but it’s surprisingly difficult to achieve. <tune>my last pull just finished. took well over 8 hours as it was doing something with rust before I went to bed and after waking up <rekado>“guix pull” does not depend on rust. <tune>I just did the guix package -u and it took a few minutes at most <tune>downloading things and building things seemed to be what happened during my guix pull <civodul>mbakke: apparently there was a transient build failure for guile, which in turn prevented the whole evaluation from completing <civodul>bummer these messages are only visible in cuirass.log <roptat>I'm thinking about the DNS config for guix, and am wondering if we want DNSSEC? <roptat>if so, I'm not sure how to implement that <roptat>knot supports it, but we need a way to share key material between servers, and I think we can't have a master-master architecture in that case <roptat>every ns server must have the same signing key(s) <tune>I often have to delete a couple files before I can guix pull so perhaps that's causing an issue like having to build rust for no good reason <tune>I do notice it's building several versions for some reason <rekado>tune: the output shows that “guix pull” completed fine. It’s the “guix package … -u” command that took longer. <rekado>rust is not involved in “guix pull”. <roptat>well, if we use dnssec, then we'll have one master and one slave, that's not too difficult, but there's a secret key that needs to be managed <roptat>also, it'd be nice to have IPv6 on berlin and bayfront :D <mikadoZero>efraim: Thanks the reconfigure worked this time. <rvgn>Woah! Are you all talking about rust? I just did guix pull and guix package -u, the process is stuck at building rust... for really long time O_o <rekado>rvgn: icecat needs rust. If you have that in your profile that might be why. <rekado>building rust locally can take a very long time. <tune>hm maybe I updated twice in a row without realizing <mikadoZero>When I run `autoconf` in a local guix repository I get an error: <mikadoZero>error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE <rekado>I suggest doing this inside of “guix environment guix” <mikadoZero>rekado: `guix environment guix` gives me this warning: <mikadoZero> /gnu/store/9ysmg2739n1ms84lx6hifncgc5l2hiy9-ld-wrapper-0/bin/ld <mikadoZero> /gnu/store/02iklp4swqs0ipxhg5x9b2shmj6b30h1-binutils-2.31.1/bin/ld <mikadoZero>warning: choosing /gnu/store/9ysmg2739n1ms84lx6hifncgc5l2hiy9-ld-wrapper-0/bin/ld <mikadoZero>Do I need to be concerned about this. It still said at the end that it was successful building profile.drv. <mikadoZero>configure: error: chosen localstatedir '/usr/local/var' does not match that of the existing installation '/var' <roptat>yes, do as it says: ./configure --localstatedir=/var <mikadoZero>Now I have pre-inst-env in the guix repo. But when I run `./pre-inst-env guix lint emacs-ace-link` I get the error: <mikadoZero>guix lint: error: emacs-ace-link: unknown package <mikadoZero>emacs-ace-link is a package I have put together that I want to lint. <roptat>have you added it to a file in your git checkout? <roptat>if you don't, how can guix find it? :) <mikadoZero>I have commited it on a checkedout branch. `./pre-inst-env guix lint emacs-ace-link` is still giving me the same unknown package error. <rekado>mikadoZero: can you show us the diff? <mikadoZero>Do I need to use guix build before I can do guix lint? <nckx>roptat: I've read nothing but the backlog here, but what's the advantage of having two independent (I assume that's what you mean by master-master?) name servers? Is it just to avoid managing TSIG keys? <rekado>ugh… “tex exited with bad status, quitting.” <rekado>that’s the complete error message. <mikadoZero>rekado: I put a diff up at paste.debian.net called diffAceLin. <rekado>mikadoZero: is there any more output than just “unknown package”? <mikadoZero>guix lint: error: emacs-ace-link: unknown package <Formbi>can I force Guix to use substitutes? <cbaines>Formbi, they'll be used if available by default, you can only require not using substitutes <pkill9>formbi do you mean force it to not build from source? <pkill9>oh that's not really possible, although it would be a nice option to have it error out if substitute isn't available, or skip it if running `guix package -u` <mikadoZero>Formbi: since it is atomic you could kill the process if it starts to build and then take that package out of your configuration if you are using Guix SD. ***rvgn-net is now known as rvgn
<mikadoZero>Formbi: I have found packages that I need to build at one point have become substitutes eventually given time. <Formbi>but it would be nice if Guix said something like «the build farm hasn't built it yet, do you want to build it yourself?» <nckx>How'd we differentiate between derivations that might have substitutes and ones that never will (e.g. info dirs, profiles, …)? <nckx>An (plz keep it optional and no interactive nonsense) ‘--only-substitutes’ switch will be useless otherwise, no? <bavier`>packages can be marked local-build-only, I assume that makes it's way to the derivation level; and could ultimately be used by other local-only derivations to distinguish <nckx>bavier`: substitutable #f? <bavier`>I could also be misundertanding the mechanism behind that option <lfam>There is also #:local-build? <nckx>bavier`: I'm not 100% familiar with it either, but it's nice that these ‘personal’ derivations *can* be substituted (e.g. a personal build farm will build some of them). *Forcing* local builds just for this is a big meh then. <bavier`>nckx: true, I hadn't considered that case <nckx>lfam, bavier`: Thanks :-) <nckx>I know I'm weird, but profile creation & hooks take several minutes here. Slow HDD… <nckx>rekado (?): bayfront's TLS certificate has expired. <lfam>nckx: Yes, reported to guix-sysadmin *nckx misread that as gnu-sysadmin. Just ‘Ah.’ then. <rekado>I don’t have admin permissions on bayfront. (Or maybe I just failed to record the password.) <lfam>Oof, Go 1.12 has some test failures where it can't find certain kernel headers <lfam>asm/socket.h and linux/errno.h <rvgn>For enabling OpenVPN client, do I have do include open-vpn service in the config file and do "guix system reconfigure" (or) just installing openvpn package is enough? <hulten>I have a Devuan server with dhcpd, and a GuixSD client. <hulten>On the Guix system `hostname --fqdn` gives back 'localhost' and `dnsdomainname` is empty. <lfam>hulten: Is the host-name field set in your system configuration file? <lfam>I don't know if that is the answer but it helps us give advice when we know what you've tried <hulten>On the server I have in dhcpd.conf: ddns-updates on; <hulten>So I hope that the command `dnsdomainname` would return "instanton", but it does not. <hulten>Likewise, `hostname -f`=="localhost" instead of "graviton.instanton". <hulten>(I know that "instanton" is not an official TLD, but I don't think that matters.) <hulten>So, lfam, do you have other ideas? <mikadoZero>rvgn: To use a openvpn client the package is enough. <lfam>No, sorry hulten. But hopefully others do <hulten>The end goal here is that I want "relay_domains = instanton" in my Postfix configuration to work in the sense that my GuixSD client may send e-mails through the relayhost. <hulten>No problem, lfam :-) I'll just check back in a bit. <mbakke>I think it's time to start staging on Hydra too. <mbakke>Note that librsvg has gained a dependency on Rust@1.27 in that branch, so it will take a while just to bootstrap Rust... <lfam>mbakke: What is the proposed timeline for the staging branch? <lfam>I'd like to push a change that will rebuild all the Go packages <lfam>Hm, I'd prefer for it to land on master relatively quickly. It shouldn't break anything — it just removes Go 1.9. Do we have capacity for a go-updates branch? <lfam>It will cause Go 1.11 and all the Go packages to be rebuilt <mbakke>lfam: Most of the Go packages are fairly small, no? <lfam>mbakke: As far as I know, they are all cheap builds, but I'm not familiar with some of the newer ones like mongo and docker <rvgn>@mikadoZero I tried it but the openvpn option in network manager is not showing up <mikadoZero>sneek_: tell rvgn I use openvpn on the command line. You can run `openvpn /path/to/openvpn-config-file.ovpn` You should be able to get the ovpn configuration file from your vpn provider. <mikadoZero>How do I know if sneek will relay my message. Do I receive any confirmation? <bavier`>mikadoZero: if sneek is listening you will, usually "got it" <mikadoZero>bavier`: So no confirmation means sneek is not listening. <rvgn>@mikadoZero Any idea about my VPN issue? Thanks! <rvgn>Sorry, did not mean to interrupt. <mikadoZero>I do not use network manager instead I use openvpn on the command line. You can run `openvpn /path/to/openvpn-config-file.ovpn` You should be able to get the ovpn configuration file from your vpn provider. <rvgn>Cool! I'll try that. But how can I track the status? Whether it is active or ended abruptly? Or even to use kill switch? <mikadoZero>rvgn: Its status will be obvious from its output to the terminal. <mikadoZero>rvgn: As for kill switch. I have found that if I am using a wifi network conection if the vpn connection goes down it interferes with the interenet connection. This is not the case with an ethernet connection. <rvgn>@mikadoZero I got confused with the latter message. <civodul>mbakke: i wanted to talk about librsvg... <rvgn>So you mean wifi connection will pause when VPN breaks? <civodul>well i should send an email, but later! :-) <civodul>i wonder whether we should follow upstream, in short <mbakke>What do you mean by follow upstream? <civodul>use the Rust version instead of the old C version <mbakke>By the way, I think 2.46 will require Rust 1.33 or what it is now. <mbakke>Oh right, we already have that on staging. <mikadoZero>rvgn: killswitch: wifi kind of, ethernet no. But that is not to say there is not a setting for openvpn for a kill switch. It would be something interesting to look into. <mikadoZero>Is anyone running guix the package manager on minix 3? <adfeno>Hi there, how to delete `guix pull' generations? <adfeno>I can `guix pull --list-generations' but can't find a way or instructions on how to delete them. <mikadoZero>adfeno: You can rollback to a previous generation. See 4.6 Invoking ‘guix pull’ in the manual. <adfeno>But what if I want to delete old ones?