<atw>hey EternalZenith! Did your question about shepherd config files get an anser? <EternalZenith>It seems that there isn't one recommended way to start shepherd on user log-in <atw>oh, I think I looked into that! at the moment I start it manually because I've slacked at automating it <EternalZenith>I can't seem to get Network Manager to reconnect to my saved wifi networks after my system wakes back up from sleep <apteryx>EternalZenith: wouldn't that be 'shepherd' in your ~/.bash_profile? <apteryx>(the solution to auto-starting a userspace instance of shepherd?) <EternalZenith>apteryx: That's pretty much what I've settled on, but in .zprofile since I'm using zsh as my login shell <atw>apteryx: and that works for graphical and non-graphical login? <EternalZenith>Actually, I'm not entirely sure everything would work if I logged in multiple times <EternalZenith>Since logging in on a different tty would attempt to restart shepherd for my user, restarting every service in a potentially troublesome way <pkill9>EternalZenith: i have the same problem, i have an inconvenient fix that points in correct direction <pkill9>well, it's not a perfect fix, but it's what i use <pkill9>basically in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/<ssid>, change "permissions=user:the_user:;" to "permission=" <pkill9>then it will autoconnect when it finds the wireless network <pkill9>i agree, but i don't know what the root of the problem is <apteryx>atw: I don't see why it shouldn't work :) <apteryx>although you might want to implement some check to an existing shepherd process to avoid running it multiples times in cases of multiple logins, as EternalZenith pointed out. <apteryx> it seems the --pid option of shepherd would help in achieving such a check <atw>thanks both for the tips! <emacsomancer>I've had an unexpected reboot - are there logs I can check? <lfam>emacsomancer: I would check the kernel log (/var/log/messages) <emacsomancer>lfam: thanks. I don't really see anything other than the restart itself, but there's nothing unusual nearby <lfam>emacsomancer: You might also check the shepherd log, in the same place <lfam>In the same directory, /var/log <lfam>That's strange, but I don't know why it would happen <g_bor>reconfiguring to core-updates on commit 418f1b241486ef7f98fdce1e6f8e53f2e7863fd9 was succesful. <g_bor>This is the only problematic output, but I think we are already tracking this:could not change directory to "/root/guix": Engedély megtagadva <g_bor>The files belonging to this database system will be owned by user "postgres". <g_bor>This user must also own the server process. <g_bor>The database cluster will be initialized with locale "en_US.utf8". <g_bor>The default database encoding has accordingly been set to "UTF8". <g_bor>The default text search configuration will be set to "english". <g_bor>Data page checksums are disabled. <g_bor>initdb: directory "/var/lib/postgresql/data" exists but is not empty <g_bor>If you want to create a new database system, either remove or empty <g_bor>the directory "/var/lib/postgresql/data" or run initdb <g_bor>with an argument other than "/var/lib/postgresql/data". <vagrantc>civodul: managed to get my local overdrive1000 updated to a recent guixsd ... took an absurd time to build <vagrantc>civodul: sounds like you've got what you need for the one you were setting up though? <civodul>'guix pull' & co. did take some time but not unreasonably so <ngz>Hello. Is there a special process to rename a package (both the variable and the "name" field)? <civodul>ngz: the only thing to pay attention to is to add a deprecated alias for the name <civodul>so typically (define-public oldname (deprecated-package "old-name" new-name)) <vagrantc>also just tested pinebook a bit, guilt u-boot 2018.11-rc2 + a few patches (that should land upstream) ... so once u-boot 2018.11 comes out, and linux 4.19 comes out, should be able to run guixsd on the pinebook <vagrantc>a bit slow processor-wise and not a lot of ram ... but ok-ish storage available <vagrantc>also took it as an opportunity to wrap my head about (patch (search-patches ... <ngz>I created a new Makefile.am in a package's snippet. I need to update "Makefile.in" accordingly, I guess. So I added "automake" to native-inputs and call (invoke "automake"). I get an un-parsable error (invoke probably fails). I also tried to run "automake --add-missing" after removing old "Makefile.in", to no avail. <ngz>Is there something obvious that I am missing? <ngz>I also added (guix build utils) to modules before the snippet. <civodul>vagrantc: the pinebook looks interesting <civodul>do graphics work with free software? <civodul>ngz: i'd look for ways to avoid adding a .am file :-) <civodul>otherwise if you really need to add it, "autoreconf -vfi" should do the right thing <ngz>No, it insists on using libtoolize, which fails. <ngz>I'd rather not create a new ".am" file, but could find another solution so far. <ngz>I'm pretty sure I tried that already. <ngz>I also removed "configure" to force "autoreconf -vfi" (it'a gnu-build-system package). <ngz>Yes, still an error in "invoke" <ngz>Can't exec "libtoolize": Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type at /gnu/store/zydmcjb9y417b255kany3dzsjyy40q9w-autoconf-2.69/share/autoconf/Autom4te/FileUtils.pm line 345, <GEN3> line 7. <ngz>That's the error when calling "autoreconf -vfi" in a Guix environment on the source of the package. <ngz>libtool is a native package. <roptat>ngz: what does `which libtoolize` tell you? <vagrantc>civodul: pinebook has framebuffer video for now, nothing accelerated, but X basically works ... some acceleration may be on it's way in mainline linux <ngz>roptat: nothing, there is no libtoolize <ngz>I tried to replace autoreconf with autoconf + aclocal + automake -ac but invoke still fails. ***rekado_ is now known as rekado
<civodul>vagrantc: ok, sounds good (it'd be good enough for my own use cases :-)) <civodul>ngz: did you add libtool to the native inputs? <ngz>I'm trying another way to avoid writing a new Makefile.am. I hope this one will give results. <vagrantc>civodul: similar board would be the olimex teres-i <tune>my time is wrong on icecat. it might be using utc time. my system time is fine, though <civodul>tune: what do you mean by "my time is wrong on icecat"? <tune>multiple sites that use something time-based display the time 5 hours ahead of my system time. my system time being fine <tune>it's specifically a web browser issue <tune>riot (chat with timestamps) as well as a site that shows power usage and has the time at the bottom of the chart are both implying it's 5 hours later than it is <tune>I noticed riot having the issue a day or two ago and thought it was something specific to that, but now I noticed it on another thing <tune>another icecat issue, all my checkboxes (as in, ANY site that uses a checkbox) shows a red square, and it's not clear if it's checked or not <civodul>tune: if you go the "about:home" in IceCat, there's a bunch of options you can enable/disable <civodul>tune: some of the privacy-protection options might tweak the timezone sent to servers so that you're more anonymous <tune>hm my second issue makes this hard to tweak <tune>well feel free to suggest another host, but clicking the link again opens it fine for me <tune>I'm wondering if I disabled geolocation and that's breaking the time, but I'm not sure because of the red checkbox issue... <roptat>tune: I had a similar issue where checkboxes didn't appear <roptat>I fixed that by removing my ~/.themes <tune>I was thinking it might be a theming issue. I only seem to have one theme, one I manually copied off another machine. I'm installing gnome-themes-standard to see if it gives me some more choices <roptat>and installing the theme I used with guix <civodul>ngz: maybe you can send the package and all to help-guix <joshuaBPMan>hello, I think guix is being weird this morning. guix package --fallback -u . --do-not-upgrade mpeg says this: <joshuaBPMan>building /gnu/store/ypdnq8bsaa0a7iiwwmjpn0xnwm079i8m-ffmpeg-3.4.4.drv... <joshuaBPMan>I'm trying to avoid building ffmpeg, because it takes forever to build. I've got substitues available from berlin.guixsd.org <civodul>efraim: just saw that you fixed Kodi, thumbs up! <civodul>joshuaBPMan: perhaps ffmpeg is a dependency of some other package? <joshuaBPMan>civodul: idk. I've got it updated now. I've got all three substitute servers defined, so that probably helped. <ng0>NSA, Berlin, Hydra :) ***astronavt_ is now known as astronavt
<joshuaBPMan>Also how hard do you think it would be to convince my large public university to set up a substitute server? <ng0>idk.. worth a try asking <roptat>joshuaBPMan: what's this third substitute server you were talking about, then? <joshuaBPMan>you can configure guixSD to use those substitute servers when you launch guix-daemon <mbakke>joshuaBPMan (IRC): You should not use hydra.gnu.org directly, the mirror has the same contents and is faster. <pkill9>how fast is it compared with the default one and berlin? <mbakke>pkill9: I don't know, haven't used it in a while. It is located in France on a good ISP IIRC. <mbakke>I think it uses the same signing key as berlin. <joshuaBPMan>also what are some cool channels? I'm guessing that we don't have a stable one yet. Do we have a bleeding edge channel? or a security minded channel? <pkill9>i don't think there are any, except for core-updates, etc <pkill9>but there is mbakke's chromium channel <pkill9>but building it will take a long time so you probably don't want to add that one, but it's pretty cool <joshuaBPMan>so I can install chromium. that's cool. the last time I tried chromium my laptop started crashing all the time. I think chromium was eating all of my memory. <pkill9>LTS, stable and bleeding edge channels would be really neat though <pkill9>i'm curious what happens when channels with conflicting packages are added <civodul>pkill9: the 'guix' channel takes precedence <efraim>I'm thinking of moving around some of my enlightenment packages and tossing them up as a channel <roptat>efraim: why not adding them to guix? <efraim>Some of them are more proof of concepts, like a calculator, and the pinentry-efl package is currently unclear about the upstreaming of the patch(es) <nly>How to work with nodejs in guix? <demotri>nly: node as such us not a problem, it is packed and usable. The problem is that (standard) npm packages have so many dependencies, cyclic dependencies, and package maintainers don't care about software freedom/building from source/bootstrapping. There is some importer in a branch, but it 's nearly impossible to use. <roptat>nly: to be more precise, you can run any npm command with the guix package, but we don't have node packages yet <roptat>(as you can see, I only slightly improved over existing patches from jlicht) <roptat>I still have an issue with the new icecat though, I can't use webgl because of a driver issue <roptat>I had the same issue with firefox 60 on another distro, and it is fixed now in firefox 62 <apteryx>Is there a way to load an environment from a saved profile? <apteryx>or is this enough: source ~/.config/guix/afo/etc/profile <nly>I just did something horrible i think <nly>ln -sf $(which env) /usr/bin/env <amz3>nly: if that is the only hack to make nodejs work, I am buying it. Did you manage to get "hot-reloading" working? <amz3>IIRC it's npm module that requires a python library that requires a shared library. <nly>Pretty much that did it <nly>Not encountered that yet amz3 <Laalf>hello! quick question: what service would i use to simply execute a command at startup? <roptat>Laalf: depends on what you want to run? <janneke>civodul: just a heads-up...i cannot get the new core-updates-next+%bootstrap-mes to build, so this will take some more time <Laalf>roptat: a crontab with @reboot. which is not possible. <roptat>anyway, if you want to run a command at boot, you can create a service for that :) <Laalf>roptat: yes but what service? i basically want to run screen -dmS name program && screen -dmS name2 program2 --flag <roptat>replace the name and commands run, and you get what you want :) <Laalf>it might be helpful to run screen to have output when needed <Laalf>this will be a fuckfest because id need to run sudo -H -u as well <roptat>you can set the user as which the command is run in shepherd services <civodul>janneke: is it build failures along the way? <janneke>civodul: it's weird, i have no idea what's going on. gnu-make-boot0 did not build anymore; i had to add `LIBRARY_PATH=...' to the gcc-mesboot-wrapper to get it to build. that felt very fishy. <janneke>now, gcc-cross-boot0 fails to build: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)' <civodul>merging core-updates into core-updates-next shouldn't have caused this, no? <janneke>so i'm a bit at loss now -- i may try to undo the core-updates merge and assert my %bootstrap-mes changes really works there; also, i may to try building on mbakke's gcc-wip7 branch <civodul>i'd leave gcc-wip7 for later, to avoid having too many moving parts <janneke>civodul: no, it shouldn't --so possibly my %bootstrap-mes patch series are problematic -- this is just very unexpected <civodul>but yeah, maybe going back to the pre-merge state first could be helpful <janneke>yeah...well mbakke made some nice fixes this gcc-wrapper area <civodul>which reminds me i didn't comment on this series <janneke>so, i have a few options but would have liked to push a new core-updates-next tonight, that may take some more days <civodul>sorry that this turned out to be trickier than i thought! *rekado is falling seriously behind in reading email <rekado>I’m currently preparing my PiGx/Guix talk for the conference in China. <janneke>civodul: thanks...it may be all my fault, but your kind words help :-) <rekado>I’ve been reading most email that arrives at guix-devel, but have only rarely replied. If you find I missed something please feel free to ping me! <civodul>i usually explicitly mention you when i expect a reply <civodul>i hope that works well with your filtering, scoring, and all ;-) <rekado>generating my slides I notice that “gs” segfaults. <rekado>this is the command that fails: gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=slides.pdf input*.pdf <g_bor>rekado: I've seen you mentioned that cmake-build-system was removed. <rekado>g_bor: I didn’t express myself clearly <rekado>what I meant is that *tensorflow* no longer comes with the necessary CMake files (since the latest release) <g_bor>Actually if I remember correctly it is using bazaar. <rekado>but it comes with a contributed makefile and cmake files. <rekado>the makefile only allows you to build the core library <rekado>the cmake stuff was more comprehensive <g_bor>how hard packaging bazel would be? <g_bor>I guess it is a tough one... <g_bor>we seem to have some parts of the dependencies... <rekado>it depends on a large number of Java packages, and some of them are very difficult to package on their own. <g_bor>Yes, impressive listing in third_party... 
