<pkill9_>probably, it's really light, and it lets you disable a lot of graphical effects
<Copenhagen_Bram>Ah. I'm hoping that Guix is more stable than Parabola, in that I will no longer have the problem where opengl games will play at an acceptable framerate if played shortly after booting up, but then will slow down drastically, making me play low-graphics games such as Cataclysm DDA and wesnoth
<roptat>if you can reboot, please try it, otherwise you can stop the mpd service, reconfigure and try again
<roptat>when a service is running, the shepherd doesn't always reload it with the new configuration
<soundtoxin>I know I've kill mpd and restarted it several times and updated several times since I first had the issue
<soundtoxin>I'm attempting a guix pull + reconfigure now but I can probably reboot in a bit
<soundtoxin>I've also got a pulse issue where on boot pulse is running, but it doesn't work and pavucontrol can't connect to it and such. I think just killing pulse and then opening an application that uses it, such as pavucontrol, was how I was getting around that
<soundtoxin>and the pulse issue could maybe be related to the mpd issue
<roptat>ok, if that doesn't solve anything, can you send a bug report to email@example.com?
<rekado_>we could record this information in the repository.
<rekado_>A file that would be fetched by guix pull and evaluated.
<rekado_>this would require that Guix version hashes can be sorted.
<rekado_>then a pulling Guix could evaluate the file giving its own version as an argument and be told how to upgrade.
<efraim>do we know which one is a good stepping-stone commit?
<thomassgn>catonano: read your blog about gnu&guix and also the one on autotools (the one referencing g-golf and skribilo). alot of agreement is here together with me. Also I agree a lot. :) It's hard to remember the worst parts of the things you use/make/work on, but it's oh so important. Thanks for pointing at it.
<civodul>rekado_: instead of an actual file, i was thinking of specially-formatted commit logs
<civodul>an empty commit whose log provides that kind of info
<civodul>that requires the ability to determine whether you're behind a given commit
<civodul>Git can do that in general, not sure how easy it is with libgit2/guile-git
<civodul>ACTION is tempted to stop reading at "Now for the bad part" :-)
<catonano>this is the Conversations ap on my phone. I configured it to access this grroup and it keeps going on line and off line, I'm not sure exactly why
<OriansJ`>catonano: honestly, that post gave me a moment of reflection. Made me wonder if I am doing everything I should to ensure #bootstrappable is a healthy group environment for the guix bootstrapping work. We have been making good progress but I wonder why so few join. Is it the technical difficultly of the work or is it something we can improve.
<catonano>OriansJ`: I never visited the #bootstrappable community. So I can't say. I'm glad that you considered the problem, though. There's not so muchh that I can do more than ensue debate and reflection
<catonano>OriansJ`: you can surely start by using more emojis :-)
<thomassgn>I should learn to read :) didnt see the responses.
<OriansJ`>thomassgn: I guess this is going to be something we think about and discuss for a while; til we all reached what it means to us.
<thomassgn>indeed. I keep seeing more and more of very positive signs though. Both in inclusion/diversity and in "empathy"(as a catch-all for a lot of closely related things). Been reading a few of the 'compassionate coding' and April Wensels posts (2 of them are linked to from catonano's post).
<OriansJ`>thomassgn: I feel it is a bit like discussions about improving the environment. Everyone prefers to live in a clean and pastoral environment but there is a level which is too far for the population to accept (Who likes collecting their own poop?). So we need to on one hand be decent to each other but realize just like evironmentalists that some people like to eat meat and throwing paint on them isn't going to improve the world.
<OriansJ`>As for the topic of implicit prejudices, I would like to point out that is not actually a bad thing. For example, it is generally implicity assumed that all technical discussions on this channel were in English; even though a large chunk of the people here certainly do speak other languages (some of them even did some wonderful translation work); it is just a biological side effect of group selection theory. In group behaviors good and
<OriansJ`>excusable, outgroup behaviors bad and unforgivable.
<OriansJ`>We need to remember that generally everyone here is trying to help and trying to reach reasonable common ground is the hardest problem ever faced.
<OriansJ`>We all make mistakes, we all have bad days and sometimes we say the wrong things because we didn't stop and think about the other people reading our words. But that is the great thing about good communties, they help all of us become better people. We grow together, learn together and change the world for the better together.
<thomassgn>I used to, and will soon again be, collecting my poop. No stress, and if you do it right, no smell or other nastiness. :)
<thomassgn>just a little tangent of your comment there, quite off topic.
<OriansJ`>thomassgn: well hopefully your organic vegatable garden does well, personally I am more of a fan of genetically engineered crop varieties mixed combined with engineered planting patterns to reduce pests and allow plants to do the soil enrichment. But the world is only made better when we learn from each other's sucesses and failures.
<OriansJ`>thomassgn: the thing most people forget about GMO crops is that, it is just a technology, that if used correctly simply reduces the number of generations required to tune a crop species to a particular climate. But this sort of discuss I could pursue for hours and we probably should take it else where so we don't disrupt the channel.
<thomassgn>bavier`: yes. Just have enough dry carbon rich materials (bark, leaves, wood chips). The bad smell from basically any digestion/decomposing process is because a lot of valuable chemicals are escaping as gas; because it is lacking carbon to bind/change with. escaping nitrogenbindings smell like shit and are so incredibly valuable. :)
<thomassgn>OriansJ`: Yes, if we want to continue this thread we should probably find a different channel. I see your argument and have some perspectives on it, but some other channel would be better.
<thomassgn>it's not very important either. It's an interesting conversation to be sure, but I'm happy to have it at a different time or not at all. (:
<rekado_>thomassgn: bavier`: it can also help to separate feces from urine. There are systems designed to separate this early and store the two separately.
<rekado_>But that’s all I’m going to say about this on #guix
<civodul>heh, right, if you wanted to touch the topic of "security" :-)
<civodul>that said, the reason Flatpak/Snap insist on that is primarily because they're about shipping proprietary software
<kmicu>Such article would be useful too, but I am searching for an explanation under 500 characters. I find that task difficult. [Jokin’] I want to avoid ‘guix(SD) is a marvelous time machine that let us travel in time on a package manager (operating system) level, and a container is a bucket’.)
<kmicu>(Of course GNU TARDIS is much cooler than a bucket.)
<bavier`>civodul: bootstrapping make on this system, I get "/dev/null: Permission denied" from 'configure'. I inserted "ls -l /dev/null" into phases, but the permissions seem fine: "crw-rw-rw- 1 0 0 1, 3 Jun 6 13:55 /dev/null"
<thomassgn>anyone have qutebrowser fail to start because "QTWebEngine is required to run qutebrowser but could net be imported! Maybe it's not installed?" ? Started happening a few days ago here, but I hadn't updated in a long while.
<bavier`>thomassgn: known bug, unfortunately. qutebrowser doesn't like the current qtwebkit, and we don't have a qtwebengine package yet
<thomassgn>cool, was assuming something along those lines. Have seen some things about it earlier, but never paid attention. Might chip in later, just wanted to check now. :) Thanks