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<roscap>zybell_: is there an example of this "login script" you mentioned? <ng0>checking for potential collision of work: 1) is someone other than me working on XDM + service currently and 2) would we be interested to merge that into master once it has reached a quality I feel like upstreaming to you? <sneek>Welcome back ng0, you have 1 message. <sneek>ng0, mbakke says: yes, it does actually build! <zybell_>there can't be. note the prefix 'any'. It depends on the way the individual login is done. <roscap>zybell_: ah, so like a bashrc? i was assuming it was part of guix source <zybell_>bashrc could be an example, better is bash_profile. <ng0>mbakke: eh. depends on what you mean. the window manager I run currently runs as my user. Xorg can not be run without root though, but that's a different matter (I've plans to look into Xenocara and porting+maintaining it if I find it okay enough and functional to integrate) <ng0>mind you, it's just a window manager. I have no idea how GNOME likes to run etc <zybell_>Pls note that 'login script' was only mentioned after jsoo asked for a 'band aid'(to do in the meantime,were the words)! <castilma>where does /etc/guix get set up? through an etc-service? <castilma>i want to set up offloading. the documentation makes it sound like I just write directly into /etc/guix/machines.scm <castilma>hmm, weird, i use guixsd. can someone tell me, why /usr/local/etc/guix/ exists on my machine, and why guix archive --generate-key; puts the key in that directory? <ng0>if you run guix from git, you need to configure it with: <ng0>otherwise localstatedir is /usr/local <castilma>can i put that in some environment variable? <castilma>(so i don't need to pass it to ./configure every time? <ng0>no really, this is handled by guix pull automatically and assumed to be done manually if build from git checkout as far as I'm aware. <ng0>I'm simply using scripts <atw>I have two problems which could be guix or could be hardware (librem 13). One is that on my US keyboard, the for backslash and pipe produces < and >. The other is some USB mouse and keyboard oddness: my trackball disconnects for a couple seconds every few minutes. I don't think there's relevant line in dmesg, but I'll keep an eye out. The other is that an external keyboard works only for a few seconds after connecting. Any ideas on <atw>zybell_: what do you mean? Might it make a difference if I unplug from the mains? <atw>well, on closer investigation, it looks like the USB keyboard goes through cycles of not registering inputs and not registering them <zybell_>no, how much current does the trackball draw?really and what is declared by descriptor?does the ext keyb work without the trackball connected? <zybell_>The problem is that many USB-devs not correctly report their current draw. Because its seldom checked or enforced. But when it is...boom. <atw>zybell_: at the moment I have the keyboard and not the trackball connected. The keyboard works intermittently (though usually not) and lsusb reports MaxPower 100mA <atw>the trackball is a wireless Logitech M570. The keyboard shows up as "USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Unicomp Inc Ruffian6_x Kbrd v3_xx]" <zybell_>looks overstated ...although LEDs? What pattern intermitt.? Other USBdevs? <atw>lsusb says of the trackball MaxPower 98mA <zybell_>Wireless?does the track*ball* have its own power? <atw>the trackball itself is power by a single AA. the USB part is just a little receiver. <zybell_>Ok,that seems to be a problem that doesn't have to do anything with current. There is an experiment I would try:After reboot,without connecting the trackball receiver, connect the keyboard and paste full dmesg. <atw>I should be able to do that soon, after I finish a backup <zybell_>before getting dmesg wait at least 2min <atw>zybell_: I'm afraid I'll have to come back to this tomorrow. Thanks for all the help! <somewun>I'm attempting to set up GuixSD in QEMU, which I've passed -net nic,model=virtio to. I have eth0 available and have tried to bring it up but it seems I'm not getting an internet connection as I get "unknown host" returned from pinging gnu.org. Where should I go from here? Not sure what to do. <siraben>Hi, I managed to follow the Guix SD manual, but run into this issue as my bootloader is being installed: <siraben>warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS boot partition; embedding won't be possible. <siraben>Would running parted /dev/sda set 1 bios_grub on fix? <ychaouche>I am looking for info about how guix implements the following commands : shutdown, reboot, halt, init and poweroff. <ychaouche>What I'd like to know is simply which are binaries, which are scripts, and which are simply symbolic links <ychaouche>hi snape, no I did not recieve any answer yet. Thanks ! <ychaouche>snape: I thought the linux kernel would launch /sbin/init <ychaouche>and different distros will make /sbin/init a link to whatever tool they use <ychaouche>so what does your distro launch at init time ? <ychaouche>and does the linux kernel have to be modified to run it or is it just a matter of passing arguments to the boot loader ? <siraben>Hi, my Guix installation finished without any errors, but I am unable to boot into my operating system. <siraben>Specifically, they're written in GNU Guile, the official extension language of the GNU Project <siraben>Is there a way to run guix system init so that it only installs the bootloader? <siraben>Hmm I can't seem to get the bootloader working <siraben>There are no errors in the installation <ajjlmau> /var/guix/profiles/per-user/root/guix-profile is empty <siraben>Installing Guix has been frustrating so far, especially attempting to install the bootloader. Any fool-proof (ideally automated) ways to install Guix? <ychaouche>snape: is init directly available at the root directory ? <snape>it loads the --load argument that is passed through the bootloader <snape>no, it is only available in the initrd <snape>that --load argument executes The Shepherd <snape>siraben: could you provide your config.scm (maybe via a pastebin)? <snape>ychaouche: the kernel isn't modified. We pass arguments to the bootloader, yes. <ychaouche>snape: you instruct the kernel to load shephered instead of init ? or shephered just called init ? <snape>the kernel runs within the initrd, and then executes /init, which executes the Shepherd <snape>(if my understanding is correct) <siraben>snape: It's basically the one in /etc/configuration/bare-bones.scm with minor adjustments <siraben>I believe I set the bootloader partition to /dev/sda <siraben>I'm attempting to have a minimal, working installation <snape>siraben: but having your real file (with your modifications) would help understanding what's going on. And the error message :-) <siraben>snape: Ok let me prepare it, it's currently in a virtual machine <siraben>Hmm the issue now is how do I get it out of a VM? <Sleep_Walker>how can I get from zsh variable g-expression? I'd like to put it into user section of system configuration as login shell <snape>siraben: I believe guix system reconfigure /etc/config.scm will try to re-install the bootloader <snape>Sleep_Walker: so you're building your configuration file with something like program-file? <ychaouche>snape: what do you have for file /sbin/init ? <snape>ychaouche: we don't need /sbin/init because /init is executed from the initrd <snape>(I don't think we support booting without initrd) <ychaouche>thanks, valuable info there. I thought that initrd and initramfs was the same thing. <oreloznog>siraben: i think (title 'my-root) is wrong and must be replaced by (title 'label) <siraben>oreloznog: I think the title can be replaced? <oreloznog>yes, (title 'label)is good. But not (title 'my-root) <siraben>So installation finished. No error reported. <oreloznog>siraben: I managed to get started thanks to superdisk grub2 that I had burned to a CD <oreloznog>After the reboot, a message like this: "no Operating System installed, please install on hard disk" <oreloznog>After inserting the superdisk grub2 CD, I ended up finding the existence of this line: <siraben>How do I reset my user account password? <siraben>Debian's `apt' can be painful at times <siraben>So when I heard about Guix and its idea of "reproducible distros" I was hooked <oreloznog>I hope to be a next user of GuixSD Hurd ! :) <siraben>Haha, but isn't the Linux kernel really good? <siraben>I'm not sure what advantages the Hurd kernel offers <oreloznog>It's good enough, but it's for fun and more, about Hurd :) <siraben>So happy package management is solved <siraben>This was the first time I installed a Linux distro without a GUI <somewun>I bring up the interface and then run dhclient, but ping is returning 100% packet loss. <mbakke>somewun: ICMP does not work in the default Qemu networking configuration. <somewun>so, i do have networking but ping and the like wont work properly? <mbakke>somewun: Most likely. Did you try proceeding? <somewun>No, as I thought I hit a roadblock. But I'll continue on now. Thanks <mbakke>There is an SSH server in the installation image, you can try starting it (herd start ssh-daemon) and SSH into it to check. <somewun>mbakke: Apologies but I'm not sure how to ssh in? I don't use ssh that often. What port am I suppose to use? <mbakke>somewun: Just `ssh the-ip-address` would suffice. But I realized in a VM, the network may not be accessible from the host. So, never mind :P <somewun>mbakke: I was able to ssh in, needed to pass in hostforwarding. <dustyweb>which branch should I push my Racket fixes to? <dustyweb>I guess Racket is a leaf (!) package, maybe it's ok to push to master, or maybe I should push to core-updates? <dustyweb>currently racket is broken in master, so <bavier`>dustyweb: master would be fine for a leaf package <dustyweb>maybe after clacke[m] gets in racket packaging stuff racket will no longer be a leaf package :) <mbakke>Phew, I think I have LLVM/clang 6.0 working. Now to find something to test it with. <mbakke>Quite the jump, from 3.8 to 6.0 :P <mbakke>But not really a lot of changes, just takes forever to build on my poor laptop. <mbakke>With luck, it can go to core-updates before it "closes" today. <Sleep_Walker>how can I enable zsh as my login shell for user? I can see that there is shell (record? property?) but it accepts G-Expression - what should I fill in? <mbakke>LLVM patch sent! I'm offline until ~midnight, can someone have a look at it in the mean time? <snape>Sleep_Walker: it would probably be something like (file-append zsh "/bin/zsh") I guess <snape>and you probably need (use-modules (gnu packages shells)) or <snape>mbakke: very nice April fool :-) <mbakke>Packaging systemd took longer than I want to admit, but definitely worth it ;) <Sleep_Walker>I got cryptic message caused by something else so I didn't consider it as correct <pkill9>can you use a graft to remove files from the compiled package? <pkill9>ah nevermind just overthinking something <thorwil>hi! what could be the cause of emacs-via-guix not finding fonts that work with emacs-via-apt-get? while the former will list *some* of the installed fonts <sohomb83>Is there any is there any guide that I can follow for writing commit messages ? <bavier`>sohomb83: we roughly follow the Changelog conventions outlined in the gnu-coding-standards <bavier`>sohomb83: for simple commits, you should be able to figure out the idea from looking at past commits <alien`>hello, when I'm running as root, Commands like "ls" and "ping" doesn't work. Can someone help me with this? <alien`>here is roots PATH: rom looking at past commits <alien`>21:48 *** jabranham QUIT Read error: Connection reset by peer <jlicht>I have to admit that the April's fools mail had me going for longer that I'm comfortable sharing publicly. Good job to anyone who made it work so well :) <thorwil>it was the best one i came across this year. while it didn't take me long to consider the date, there was a moment of doubt :) <jlicht>I started doubting it when I read the list of essential features of pid 1. The length of the patch made me reconsider though <lfam>sneek later tell alien`: I bet that you became root with `su root`. As documented in the su manual page, this will set your PATH incorrectly for Guix. You need to use `su --login` in order to get the correct PATH <thorwil>why oh why would emacs claim: Error (initialization): User thorwil has no home directory <thorwil>that's after: guix pull; guix package -u; guix package --delete-generations; guix gc <ngz>Hello. How can I know what is the value for $LD_LIBRARY_PATH when building a package? <civodul>and i recommend not fiddling with it as a rule of thumb <ngz>But I get an error when building a package: ld: cannot find -lporttime <ngz>So I guess I need to fiddle with it anyway, don't I? <ngz>(in this case, I need to somehow add portmidi to it) <jlicht>ngz: are you working in an environment/profile with both portmidi(or portmidi-for-extempore?) and gcc-toolchain installed via guix? Because then things usually Just Work (tm) <ngz>jlicht: I do. I have portmidi and gnu-build-system. <jlicht>ah, you are trying to actually create an actual package. Me and my reading comprehension.... Could you possibly share your package snippet via a paste service? <ngz>Sure. Is there a favorite paste service? <jlicht>afaik there is one mentioned in the motd of #guix. paste.debian.net if I am not mistaken <ngz>The `setenv' phase is what I'm trying at the moment. <ngz>It wasn't present when I encountered the error. <civodul>ngz: for 'ld', fiddle with LIBRARY_PATH, not LD_LIBRARY_PATH <ngz>Hmmm Shouldn't I have both libportmidi.so and libporttime.so in the "portmidi" lib/ directory? <ngz>I only see lipportmidi.so (but there is liporttime.h in "portmidi/include/") <ngz>Nix does this: ln -s libportmidi.so "$out/lib/libporttime.so" <ngz>as a post-install move. <jlicht>ngz: portmidi seems to have an interesting build system, but maybe you could configure some sort of flag to also have it generate the right .so file on Guix? <ngz>jlicht: According to the above (about Nix), I guess there is no such flag. I cannot find any in the CMakeLists.txt from portmidi actually. <jlicht>ngz: yeah, me neither. It seems we are also not the first people who are confused by this porttime.so not existing, but I can't really find anything concrete on solving it <ngz>Well, I can add a phase to portmidi build creating the symlink. <ngz>So, after `install' phase, something like (symlink "libportmidi.so" "libporttime.so") <jlicht>ngz: seems like it might work, good luck <ngz>I'm currently building musescore again with a patched portmidi. We'll see. <agaric>hello, i'm trying to add a custom keymap to /share/keymaps by inheriting the kbd package. i'm wondering if this is possible using inherit, or do i need to redefine the whole thing? <mbakke>jlicht: Glad you liked my prank (the patch actually works!) :-) <jlicht>mbakke: tbh, I was not a happy camper for the time I still considered it being real XD <mbakke>It's the most elaborate April Fools prank I've done so far :-P <ngz>jlicht: OK. It builds. I think I'm going to update portmidi (after checking the number of affected packages) and update MuseScore. <ngz>Hmm I get an error. Could someone tell me the result for `guix refresh --list-dependent portmidi'? <mbakke>ngz: I get "Building the following 9 packages would ensure 16 dependent packages are rebuilt: audacity@2.2.1 retux@1.3.5 roguebox-adventures@2.1.2-1.19a2c34 bambam@0.5 python2-xsge@2017.06.09 impressive@0.11.1 freedoom@0.11.3 frescobaldi@3.0.0 denemo@2.1" <ngz>Great. So I can push it to master. <mbakke>civodul: Can you start a "core" evaluation on Hydra? <mbakke>Oh wait, I can apparently change it. Is it enough to set subset=core and start an evaluation? <civodul>mbakke: it's funny how people fell for your joke yesterday :-) <mbakke>Yes, I didn't expect it to be that effective -- I thought the "dishwasher" part was a dead giveaway but apparently people skimmed that bit :P <ngz>The problem is that systemd probably has a dishwasher unit file somewhere... <mbakke>OpenBSD had a good one too -- they deprecated IPv4 support with an actual CVS commit. 