<ng0>also I remember having issues with some type of crate.. the one that creates executables? I don't know
<dieggsy>ng0: it's a more base issue. i think guix/guile is having trouble registering the module at all. when i delete it, everything goes back to normal. when i add it, it hangs. there's no syntax errors or anything, it just hangs. is it possible to have a module that's too large?
<platoxia>I have GuixSD installed on hardware and was wondering about upgradability between releases...is it currently upgradable between beta releases or does it need to be reinstalled each time and/or once a stable version is released?
<davexunit>platoxia: I've had a guixsd system for at least 3 years now and I've never re-installed from scratch after the initial installation
<platoxia>Thanks. I'm just a basic user interested more in the fact that this is certified by the FSF and is GNU oriented...I don't even know scheme. Hopefully I will get the hang of the way this system works sooner rather than later.
<davexunit>platoxia: have you ever installed parabola or arch before? if you can get through that installation process, you can handle guixsd's
<davexunit>if you've only ever used distros with graphical installers, there will be a greater learning curve
<davexunit>(until the day we, too, have a fancy pants graphical installer ;)
<platoxia>I did Gentoo from stage one many, many years ago as well as doing a LFS build...also many, many years ago. I've never done Arch or Parabola though. I'm very much out of practice on the sys-admin realm though.
<rekado>platoxia: in that case you might find GuixSD refreshing.
<rekado>platoxia: it avoids the usually “edit this file, then that other file, then restart this thing” drudgery.
<rekado>instead it offers a much cleaner, unified configuration.
<Apteryx>is it me, or is guix reconfigure system taking *much* longer than it used to recently?
<davexunit>platoxia: okay, well given that you've installed gentoo before (something I've never done), I would bet that you can get guixsd installed, too.
<rekado>you’d have to learn a bit of Scheme, though. Making yourself familiar with the basics for an hour will go a long way.
<davexunit>Apteryx: the usual issue for me is that I always seem to be building most of gnome
<rekado>I find it’s been a lot faster for me than before, especially for i686 (because berlin builds a bit more of that)
<Apteryx>I'm at 7 min 35 s about, when there's nothing to do (since I've run it multiple times)
<dieggsy>platoxia, rekado yes but scheme is _so much fun_ :D not even a chore heh
<adfeno>I hhave a problem with things that depend on Qt, and some package related to GNU R seems to depend on it (at least when I last checked three months ago)
<adfeno>^ my last message was in regards to "always having to rebuild sometthing" :D
<platoxia>rdkado: lol, it may be drudgery but I'm old and change hurts my brain. I like everything I've read and seen in the video presentations so far. I just need to get up to speed with guile/scheme and translate my old understandings of the way things go together and are configured into a programmer's view of how it works.
<Apteryx>I remember that when my config.scm barely changed, it would fly through in seconds rather than minutes.
<platoxia>I encrypted a USB flash drive yesterday from the gnome files gui and as soon as it started writing zeros to the drive (berfore the encryption started) the popup went away. The only way I could follow what it was doing was with top and ps. Don't know if that is a bug or not because I normally do that sort of thing through the terminal.
<rekado>Apteryx: are you following forked off processes as well?
<ArneBab-work>I found one reason for breakages I see in guix: When I install guile as user but use guix from the root-profile, the user-guile and the root-guix don’t work well together. Updating the user-guile just helped.
<rekado_>on one hand it’s good that we don’t use our budget for yet another Dell or HP laptop but for hardware that is supported by free software, but I’d feel terrible if this turns out to be of subpar quality.
<rekado_>in an alternative universe rekado just bought an old X200s and gutted it for parts to use the old X200s for a couple more months.
<catonano>recently a friend of mine gave me an entry level gaming keyboard for my Fedora desktop. It has every kind of control keys: sound, brightness... so there must be a way to do those things under linux
<rekado_>adfeno: I don’t think I should have to do this on a laptop that is designed to work with free software.
<rekado_>on my thinkpad this also broke fairly recently, so I’m confident that something changed in linux
<rekado_>xbacklight says “No outputs have backlight property”
<civodul>rekado_: xbacklight no longer works with KMS
<atw>yes :) I'm flattered. Recently I have realized that the output we got was a scheme-file. Can we use that as the (source) of a package? If so, a user service could then be included in a user's profile.
<civodul>ld: /gnu/store/5fs58qwbc51f6ijjv58y8cn4svqwd9rn-wordnet-3.0/lib/libWN.a(libWN_a-search.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.8' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
<lfam>Olimex makes a low-power arm64 laptop, the Teres-I