<mark_weaver>mthl: the 'python' package doesn't contain a program named 'python', but rather a program called 'python3' <mark_weaver>mthl: we have a 'python-wrapper' package that includes a 'python' symlink to 'python3'. <mark_weaver>so maybe you want that as an input, or maybe the package really wants python-2 instead. <rain1>btw mark_weaver, I could not fixup blender to work with the new ffmpeg - it required a new python, but python does not compile (need to wait for them to fix that) <rain1>the newer version of blender, to work with newer ffmpeg <mark_weaver>I guess we should cherry-pick / backport the changes to blender needed for the new ffmpeg. <mark_weaver>so we get those fixes without the requirement for new python. <mthl>mark_weaver: Thanks again for your explication, using 'python-wrapper' has fixed the issue and shorten my package definition. <phant0mas>hello davexunit did you find the build log from avr-gcc? :-) <phant0mas>sorry for being so persistent but I really want to find out what's wrong <anthk_>where is the words file in guixsd? <anthk_>that file with a sorted list of words <quiliro>will someone be my mentor on my 5th try to install guix? <quiliro>i get an error on boot and it would not have /var <quiliro>i have configured config.scm with grub device sdb because it is the device that is recognized when booting with guixsd live usb <quiliro>but the hard disk is probably sda on reboot without the usb <quiliro>will dd'ing the install usb to hard disk provide with a bootable system to the computer? <iyzsong>quiliro: I don't think so. could you get the dmesg from the guixsd live usb (or any booted linux, if that's easier)? also when boot guixsd failed from harddisk, the message before enter the prompt (looking for 'ata', 'scsi' and 'sd'), and the contents of '/proc/modules'. <iyzsong>I think some kernel modules are missing or not working, so there is no '/dev/sda' when the booting phase try to mount it. <quiliro>iyzsong: i don't understand what you ask me to do <iyzsong>quiliro: first after you boot the guixsd live usb (or any other linux), paste the output of 'dmesg' (to paste.lisp.org etc. and send the link here) <iyzsong>quiliro: then at the prompt when failed to boot guixsd from harddisk, use SHIFT+PageUP to scroll up the console to see if there are interesting message contains 'ahci', 'ata' and 'sd' (it should report the found disks, same as dmesg). <iyzsong>also, at the prompt, see the contents of 'cat /proc/modules'. so we can compare it with the working one. <quiliro>iyzsong: how to paste from guixsd live?? <iyzsong>not sure.. if you have another machine, you can copy it out. but any other working linux should be ok (for dmesg and /proc/modules). <quiliro>or laptop to insert the guixsd installed hd <iyzsong>quiliro: ok, boot the guixsd live usb, then use 'cat /var/log/messages | nc termbin.com 9999' to paste. <iyzsong>you can get the 'nc' command by run 'guix environment --ad-hoc netcat' or 'guix package -i netcat'' <quiliro>if i update the live system, wil it stay updated or return to previous condition on reboot? <quiliro>iyzsong: in other words, will ncc stay installed on live usb upon reboot? <iyzsong>yes, the live system is read-only, all changes will lost after reboot. <iyzsong>it's only depends on glibc, and you need to downolad glibc anyway when install the system. <iyzsong>yep, we should add a paste command to the install media. <vekth>when i try to initialze guix config' at installation, it failed to load /mnt/etc/config.scm <vekth>it's because i copied/pasted the lines of the root partition to make a /home partition : / <quiliro>iyzsong: it is still compiling and i am being kicked out...no more telecommunications <quiliro>i can leave it on all night and come early <vekth>quiliro, i mounted a /home partition and i'm trying to specify it in the config' file. <quiliro>did you put it in the file-systems section? <vekth>do i need to put it before %base-file-systems? <iyzsong>oops, i have to go too. idealy you shouldn't compile thing.. <vekth>i will do make tries later in a VM. <vekth>i will read the wiki better later. I'm a bit tired : ) <paroneayea>I'm very close to a working xscreensaver package <efraim>I'm currently testing the pcre2 patch, seeing if julia still builds <rekado>efraim: thanks for making sure julia won't break :) <efraim>we try to take special care with the bio software :), and people don't always check that their upgrade doesn't break other stuff <efraim>i didn't check the ffmpeg update enough before pushing it <rekado>roelj: what R stuff are you working on? <rekado>roelj: I have a recursive CRAN/bioconductor importer patch sitting here. <efraim>is that the one where you were going to send 7000 patches to the mailing list? <rekado>efraim: no, that was done by scraping the CRAN package list and running the simple importer on each of them. <rekado>the recursive importer is smarter than that. <rekado>well, not really, but it keeps track of what packages we already have in Guix and what points in the dependency graph have already been visited. <rekado>it produces full package definitions (define-public and all) that only need to be reviewed and built. <rekado>I think that's better than using the importer to create 7000 packages that nobody asked for :) <ng0>reviewing 7000 patches would be "fun" :) <rekado>efraim: I remember that I had to disable one of the tests because it would time out. Could be that there are other tests that need disabling. <efraim>they're running, I just have a slow computer <efraim>I rescued a pentium4 desktop with hyperthreading and that ran guix pull faster than my netbook does <efraim>guix pull is ~10 minutes on this machine, it was ~7 minutes on the P4 <efraim>build phase for julia was 23 minutes and change <ng0>I should test running guix and gentoo in parallel under gentoo xen on the desktop so I can build faster. <efraim>the outlet seems to have dried and no lasting damage seems to be done, which is always good <efraim>I also realized that installing guixsd on a cloud provider over their image should be pretty easy since the store is in /gnu/store and you can cherry-pick out the parts of /etc and /var that stay behind after the switch <efraim>so there's no pivot_root or running the installer in ram or anything wierd like that ***Basstard1 is now known as Basstard`
<petter>Is anyone else having issue with disabled external keyboard? <petter>I haven't had this problem before. It has happened twice now with bitcoin-qt running. Turning this program off enabled my keyboard again. <iyzsong>efraim: oh, I pushed the pcre2 update, should I revert it.. or wiil update julia to 0.4.5 help? <efraim>iyzsong: I'd leave it for now, rekado said he had to disable a test, and I didn't check to see if it's currently building or not <efraim>it took me 2.5 hours to get to the part where it failed, so I'm going to leave it to rekado to see if updating it takes care of it or if he's holding the test disable patch for now <iyzsong>ok, thanks. I guess I'm safe to wait. <htgoebel>I'm trying to use guix to build from svn or git checkouts on e.g. `master` or `HEAD`. Is there some way to avoid he eed for updating the sha256 in the package file the each time? <quiliro>since i do not have a /var directory o my installation, why did you need me to install nc and send thje paste to you? <quiliro>htgoebel: i have no idea...i guess you have to ask until some one else later <quiliro>htgoebel: can you help me with my booting issue? <htgoebel>quiliro: Which bootstrap problem? I can't find it in the logs. May try to help <quiliro>htgoebel: thank you.... it was yesterday.....i get an error about not finding sdb1 <quiliro>and was asked to install nc to send the report via termbin.com <htgoebel>I'm afraid, this is far over what I know about GuixSD. Sorry <quiliro>so i installed nc which took more than 3 hours so i went to sleep and i report now <quiliro>htgoebel: have you installed guixsd? <htgoebel>quiliro: I'm using guix on top of my existing system. I'm trying to set up a reproducible environment for my own software <quiliro>so you do not use guixsd but guix only <quiliro>when I modify your config.scm, I don't know if I should define on the grub section the current device or the device that it becomes when I remove the live usb, when I boot with the live usb, the hard disk is sdb. and when i reboot with the hard disk, i suppose the hard disk becomes sdb <quiliro>when I modify MY config.scm, I don't know if I should define on the grub section the current device or the device that it becomes when I remove the live usb, when I boot with the live usb, the hard disk is sdb. and when i reboot with the hard disk, i suppose the hard disk becomes sdb <quiliro>sorry...my text is wrong.please let me repost <htgoebel>Have you tired using a disk/partition-label? <quiliro>When I modify my config.scm, I don't know if I should define on the grub section the current device or the device that it becomes when I boot without the live usb. When I boot with the live usb, the hard disk is sdb. And when I reboot with the hard disk, I suppose the hard disk becomes sda. <quiliro>i dont know how to define the disk with a label <quiliro>so i put sdb because the hard disk is recognized as such when i boot with the live usb <htgoebel>quiliro: As far as I unserstand the manual, /dev/sdX should be the device wher grub is installed on. So in your case sdb. After set-up, you may need to change this into sda. <quiliro>htgoebel: i cannot boot into the system after installation... so I cannot change it <htgoebel>grub is not even staring up? Is there any message about grub installing itself onto /dev/sdb? <quiliro>htgoebel: the system is booted into a guile shell that reports it failed to resolve partition "raiz" <quiliro>htgoebel: grub starts but it cannot find my root partition <phant0mas>davexunit: hey, can you send me the build log from the last avr-gcc you built? <quiliro>if i reboot, will i loose all the changes i made to the live usb? <htgoebel>quiliro: So the "(bootloader (grub-configuration (device "/dev/sdX")))" part is correct: grub get onto sdb <htgoebel>quiliro: Looks like you need to tweak the "file-systems (cons (file-system" part <quiliro>htgoebel: yes.... i understand now...it is correct...what is my problem then? <quiliro>i used also device sda1 on file-system section <quiliro>should i reboot and tell you the message? <quiliro>i have no /mnt/var directory on /mnt either <htgoebel>quiliro: What is in /dev/sdb1 *prior* to reboot? <htgoebel>quiliro: Are there other partitions for /dev/sdb? <htgoebel>I'm afraid, I can not help you on this any further. <quiliro>what files do you suggest i pastebin before rebooting <quiliro>there is no file messages in /var/log <quiliro>there are no files in that directory <iyzsong>quiliro: you're on the live usb? please paste the out put of 'dmesg' and the '/proc/modules' file. <davexunit>phant0mas: I search for avrxmega in the build log <davexunit>the only thing that came up was a big bash expression <davexunit>I didn't see any gcc commands that were building things with that name <mark_weaver>quiliro: I have only a few minutes to help, but I will try. can you paste your OS config to a paste service (but not pastebin.com because they block tor users) <phant0mas>davexunit: I will rebuild avr-gcc outside of guix and capture all the build log and compare them <quiliro>previous pastes were '/var/log/messages' and '/proc/modules' <iyzsong>quiliro: ok, can you boot from harddisk and (at the prompt) to see '/proc/modules' have 'pata_amd' and 'sata_nv' or not? <quiliro>iyzsong: how do i do that...i get the guile prompt <iyzsong>quiliro: do ',bournish', then 'cat /proc/modules'. <quiliro>do not have 'pata_amd' and 'sata_nv' <iyzsong>ok. you should add those modules to your config.scm! <quiliro>iyzsong: why aren't those modules included by default? <phant0mas>davexunit: I want to be able to work with avr from my guixsd laptop ;-) <iyzsong>quiliro: I'm not familier with kernel modules, but in your case, I think it's about missing modules for harddisk.. If you confirm it, we should add it to the default. <iyzsong>quiliro: yes, to add them, try add "(initrd (lambda (fs . args) (apply base-initrd fs #:extra-modules '("pata_amd" "sata_nv") args)))" to your 'operating-system'. <quiliro>how can i check which hdd it recognizes? <iyzsong>in the live usb, you can use 'mount' or 'df'. also the 'dmesg' should tell (SCSI removable disk vs SCSI disk) <quiliro>iyzsong: not in the live but in bournish <efraim>when I installed guixsd on my pentium4 my pata drive showed up as /dev/sda1 and not as /dev/hda1 <iyzsong>quiliro: you haven't reinstall with modules right? then I think because the modules for harddisk is not loaded, it won't be recognized, so usb will be sda. <iyzsong>quiliro: the initrd don't have them (coreutils), it only have guile, and the 'bournish' (a guile module) only emulate some commands (ls, cat, cd). <quiliro>iyzsong: so why does the live usb recognize my hdd? <quiliro>it has those modeles and the default forms for config.scm don't <quiliro>it has those modules and the default forms for config.scm don't <quiliro>forms=bare-bones.scm,desktop.scm,light-desktop.scm <quiliro>i use ls / and it will not show what ls shows <iyzsong>quiliro: no, the modules are same. but the initrd contains module for your usb disk (so it's sda), after the mount phase, it load services from usb, the udevd will load needed modules from usb (all linux modules are in store, but only some are in initrd), so your harddisk is recognized now (as sdb). <iyzsong>yes.. the bournish is only a basic implementation now. I think we have a GSOC project for it :-) <davexunit>you're in an early boot environment without much available <quiliro>pata_acpi and and isci modules are loaded <quiliro>fsck.ext4: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda1 <iyzsong>quiliro: yes, there're in the initrd for generic harddisk, but your need other modules. <quiliro>iyzsong: why 'dmesg' should tell (SCSI removable disk vs SCSI disk) <quiliro>when booting with live usb can i check which modules are loaded? <quiliro>'pata_amd' and 'sata_nv' are in fact loaded <quiliro>iyzsong: i will add them to bare-bones.scm <quiliro>i want to add '(firmware "openfwwf-firmware")' too <quiliro>may i add it before '(file-systems' ???? <quiliro>it would be nice to have more examples of config.scm on the manual or elsewhere <bavier>quiliro: I think you'll need instead '(firmware (list openfwwf-firmware))' <iyzsong>that won't work, the b43-openfwwf firmware haven't be packaged. <bavier>it's a package reference, rather than a string reference <quiliro>bavier: thank you.... you text in the same place i suggest is ok? <quiliro>bavier: thank you.... your text in the same place i suggest is ok? <bavier>quiliro: the order of fields isn't important <efraim>sometimes when I'm just working on a package and want it to build I set (license #f) <efraim>since it also covers license:foo or any other namespace ***tschwing_ is now known as tschwinge
<quiliro>ok....added to bare-bones.scm in operating-system: <quiliro>(initrd (lambda (fs . args) (apply base-initrd fs #:extra-modules '("pata_amd" "sata_nv") args))) <iyzsong>I think so, and if "guix system init" don't report error, it's correct. <quiliro>guix system init /mnt/etc/bare-bones.scm /mnt <bavier>the manual should be available on tty1 <quiliro>guix system init /mnt/etc/bare-bones.scm /mnt <quiliro>module-lookup: Unbound variable: openfwwf-firmware <iyzsong>quiliro: yes, that haven't be packaged yet. <bavier>quiliro: you won't get the firmware installed if you comment it <bavier>I realize that my patch isn't as useful to you in a live-usb installation <bavier>what you can do instead is use GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH <bavier>and put those package definitions in a local file <bavier>quiliro: yes, section 7.5 I believe <iyzsong>you're using ethernet (wired) right? you can do that later after install. <bavier>that's true, it might be most useful right now to get the base system installed, then do a reconfigure later <quiliro>is there a problem with the file not named /mnt/etc/config.scm but /mnt/etc/bare-bones.scm ? <bavier>quiliro: that shouldn't be a problem <quiliro>is there a way to measure the time invested in development and support in guix and guixsd? <quiliro>does that include the time spent in supporting people in this channel and the mailing list? <quiliro>i assume it does not include the source code for the sources of other programs <paroneayea>quiliro: someone's been working since the unix epoch! <bavier>I'm not familiar with how openhub does its measurements <pizzaiolo>anyone got around to reviewing jookia's patches? <bavier>but yeah, it certainly doesn't include the time investment in all the lovely free software we package <quiliro>it reports guix has a big codebase of devs and is a very active project <bavier>quiliro: and you can be one too! :) <quiliro>average more than 100 commits and 200 lines of code per commiter <quiliro>it would be nice to have a roadmap of how to learn <iyzsong>welcome! and i'll go sleep now, night :) <quiliro>iyzsong: thank you very much for myour help <quiliro>iyzsong: thank you very much for your help <paroneayea>ACTION shoots incomplete xscreensaver package to list <rain1>I recommend slock instead of xscreensaver <paroneayea>rain1: cool... though having both is nice, I do enjoy the various hacks supplied by xscreensaver <rain1>the visuals in it are lovely :) <paroneayea>rain1: and it's nice that it has an auto-lock feature <paroneayea>I don't think slock has a "lock after $X minutes" thing does it? <rain1>Slock can be started after a specific period of user inactivity using xautolock <rain1>xautolock -time 10 -locker slock <rain1>so this separate tool can do it <Digit>"guix has hurd" i heard in another chan. not on guixsd yet though i presume, right? <ng0>emails to bug-womb take some time to get notice, at least if you have western "reply within one week" expectations <rain1>i think the OS does it for you though <ng0>but a notice on shutdown to remove the device when it's unmounted would be good in the future <quiliro>it is a long toime for a base installation <ng0>well you have an almost functional system <ng0>try gentoo, you have the base and after that you need to compile the rest <ng0>i get a base system on gentoo in 20-30 minutes now, but for a fiunctional system I have 12-26 hours compiling :) <ng0>but if you have ideas on how to improve the setup, take notes and share <quiliro>ng0: i think that the live should have all the binaries to copy to disk <quiliro>how difficult is it to generate a new live every week or so? <ng0>more difficult than I know, with guixsd at least. <ng0>gentoo, debian and others have automatically created iso snapshots of weekly/daily builds of the iso, but they use a different system <ng0>i don't know much about guix system for image creation, but i assume it is created with the command displayed in the manual + some make line in the git repository <quiliro>after a year of 6 tryes installing Guixsd <ng0>so providing binaries with the current size of hydra won't always work <quiliro>ng0: i dont understand why....please be kind to explain <ng0>somebody else has to, i don't know much about the image creation to be 100% certain of what I write. <ng0>i'm still searching for the optimal new solution for my servers, and as i want to include gnunet, idk it might be possible to snapshot the cache one a month or so, move it to a directory /pub/guix/hydra-$time and recursively share this on directory in gnunet somehow, only integrating this into guix to make it pull this way is testing ground. <quiliro>I have to combine my desktop.scm with babe-bones.scm ... what is the fastes way? <quiliro>I have to combine my desktop.scm with babe-bones.scm ... what is the fastest way? ***jgay_ is now known as jgay
<quiliro>still net initrd ( ....... in the file? <quiliro>i have modified desktop.scm and wish to update. I have booted with the installed system (GUIXSD)....should i use: guix system init /etc/desktop.scm / ? <davexunit>changes to services may require rebooting to activate <quiliro>davexunit: will guix system ireconfigure /etc/desktop.scm <quiliro>davexunit: will guix system reconfigure /etc/desktop.scm <davexunit>assuming /etc/desktop.scm is the file name where your updated configuration is stored <davexunit>naturally, this operation must be performed as root. <quiliro>davexunit: same error as before with openfwwf <quiliro>'(firmware (list openfwwf-firmware))' <davexunit>quiliro: there is no variable named openfwwf-firmware in the guix code base. <davexunit>I'm very confused by what you are trying to do. <davexunit>did you define that variable to have some value that is important? where are you using that 'firmware' field? <davexunit>quiliro: I think you might want to review the basics of Scheme a bit more. <quiliro>davexunit: i need to load the firmware for my wireless card <quiliro>i have confirmed in trisquel that it is free for my card and it is included in that distro <davexunit>is "openfwwf-firmware" a valid name for a Linux kernel module? <quiliro>firmware b43-open/ucode5.fw needs to be loaded <davexunit>there is no such package in guix with that name <davexunit>again, if this software is needed, then it needs to be packaged. <quiliro>davexunit: i should do without wireless for the moment? <quiliro>what do you suggest i do to learn how to include it in guixsd <davexunit>if it is true that the firmware in that repository is needed and not already provided by Linux itself, then you would need to write a guix package to compile it. <davexunit>from there, I don't know. I don't know how to use firmware that isn't built-in to the kernel. <davexunit>but I know that we have at least one other wireless firmware package in guix <davexunit>see ath9k-htc-firmware in (gnu packages firmware) <davexunit>once the firmware is built properly, you can add it to your operating-system config's 'firmware' field, as you were already trying to do. <davexunit>I learned this just now by searching the codebase for ath9k-htc-firmware <ng0>what even is dc++ ? i remember DC in irc from around 2000.. <gour>hello, is guixsd getting ready for 'general' consumption? <ng0>depends on what you need for it being ready and your definition of general :) <jmd>gour: Yes, but consuming too much may be harmfull to your health. <gour>anthk_: which DE is a favorite one? <gour>well, atm i use debian (sid)... <jmd>The favourite DE is bash. <jmd>Closely followed by emacs. <anthk_>if gnome-shell had something with Guile instead of JS it would be nice <gour>i was playing in the past with Free/PC-BSD which used PBIs - concept simialr to nix pkgs and, i believe, to guix, but they abandoned it :-( <ng0>wild. so dc++ is what i think it is. funny sigur ros provide this and ftp and gather torrents, but have no real one catches all distribution for live recordings <gour>can it be made stable similar to debian-stable ,iow. to put it on relative's machines in order to minimize maintain. work or is still considered that one has to update it more often? <ng0>has anyone tried to not update for 1 year and see if guix breaks? <ng0>if not someone should do that. <anthk_>gour, with Guix , stability ala Debian has no sense, you have "guix system reconfigure" and if something crashes, you can go back <gour>besides using guile vs nix's dsl and not using non-free software, any other important difference with nixos? <gour>anthk_: well, ability to easily rollback is something i'm looking for...it means there are no firmwares for wifi stuf etc.? <anthk_>gour, there are only the free fw, and nowadays, cheap wifi USB devices with free drivers do exists <anthk_>and often they work better than the builtin NICs <gour>anthk_: well, problem is often with laptops/netbooks...moreover, i'm living in place where there are not always too many options to choose from <gour>it probably means no place for things like debian's firmware-realtek, right? <jmd>we don't have non-free blobs. Right. ***kelsoo1 is now known as kelsoo
<davexunit>I thought it was a symbol/string mixup or something <davexunit>but then realized that it was supposed to be a list of packages <bavier>well, the patch is there, but I don't think quiliro has a git checkout to apply it to yet <quiliro>davexunit, bavier: does that mean i get openfwwf-firmware?? <davexunit>bavier: for now, he can just dump the package recipes in his config file <quiliro>i rebooted but no destop service has run <davexunit>quiliro: you have to be more specific. what is the exact config file you are using? <quiliro>the same as in /etc/configure/desktop.scm <alezost>quiliro: re dvorak-es: do you get "cannot open include file euro"? <alezost>on GuixSD we can use the same fix for "kbd" package <quiliro>davexunit: gnome-desktop-service, xfce-desktop-service, %desktop-services <quiliro>how can I use paste to a web erver from the ccommand line? dpaste? <quiliro>'cat /var/log/messages | nc paste.lisp.org 9999' <ng0>possibly.. i use ptpb.pw for that <ng0>my_pb() { gnurl -F "c=@${1:--}" https://ptpb.pw/ } you want to replace gnurl with curl if you don't use gnurl. then you can do: comman | my_pb <ng0>or for files, just my_pb file <quiliro>never use curl or gnurl, which do you suggest? <ng0>i use gnurl because I use gnunet. you can use curl if you have no preference. <quiliro>ng0: is pb installable via guix package? <davexunit>quiliro: then you're good, that will start a Slim login screen and let you choose between XFCE or GNOME <davexunit>if not, it means that you haven't instantiated the correct system. what do you see? <davexunit>did you 'guix system reconfigure' and then reboot? <davexunit>did 'guix system reconfigure' completel successfully? <davexunit>does "xorg-server" appear anywhere in the output? <davexunit>quiliro: then you did not install the system with xfce and gnome <quiliro>herd status | grep xorg-server gives nothing <davexunit>you didn't install what you think you installed <quiliro>should i update again recheccking the desktop.scm file? <quiliro>and i have checked desktop.scm to contain the destop services <davexunit>I don't know what you did, but you must have done something wrong. <quiliro>gnome-desktop-service, xfce-desktop-service, %desktop-services <davexunit>there's no other way your new system wouldn't have X running <quiliro>davexunit: thank you...i have learned a lot...i will keep studying <alezost>suitsmeveryfine: ha-ha, AFAICS all links are broken on that page :-) <suitsmeveryfine>alezost: it would be interesting to see if this fixes another strange bug <jmd>Is anyone working on a gui front-end to the package manager? <ng0>quiliro: ah, also pb is server software. <davexunit>jmd: there's some interest, but not much has been done yet. <ng0>wat I pasted was a line to interact with the server <davexunit>I wrote a prototype web interface with only a couple features, but I want to flesh it out more some time. <jmd>Why a web interface? <davexunit>jmd: it was a "I wonder how easy this would be?" thing <davexunit>turns out it was pretty easy to make a web UI <alezost>suitsmeveryfine: isn't it intended? look at "se-fi-ir209.map.gz" file: it is very small. I don't really know how all this stuff works, but to me it looks like it should be loaded after se-ir209 <alezost>anyway, what I like with loadkeys, is that you can make your own map file and just use it <phant0mas>but I need to crosscheck everything with the normal build log <quiliro>davexunit: i have stayed in the place where there is internet for 2 nights now <suitsmeveryfine>Hi! I'm trying to build a package from a git checkout, inside the guix environment, but the build command results in everything being downloaded, including an old version of linux-libre. <davexunit>suitsmeveryfine: what do you mean by "build command"? <quiliro>guix system reconfigure ....seem very itchy when it comes to seconds of network failure <quiliro>hich is attributed to network failure <quiliro>which is attributed to network failure <suitsmeveryfine>alezost: I see, so it is actually meant to be loaded after se-ir209? <davexunit>suitsmeveryfine: did you run ./configure --localstatedir=/var <davexunit>if not, you are going to clobber your install <suitsmeveryfine>davexunit: I must have done that before, because this started to happen only today. <alezost>suitsmeveryfine: well, I don't know, probably; where did you learn about this keymap? <davexunit>suitsmeveryfine: did you build the latest master? <suitsmeveryfine>I did run "git pull" before. Do I need to run ./configure --localstatedir=/var more than once? <davexunit>suitsmeveryfine: have you not updated in awhile? <davexunit>guix isn't just going to download stuff for the hell of it <davexunit>a local change of yours could have changed the hash of some things if its trying to rebuild everything <davexunit>searching for "guix-build-environment" in the codebase returns no results <davexunit>suitsmeveryfine: changing anything in the gnu build system will change the hashes for everything <alezost>suitsmeveryfine: check with "git diff" what changes you made <alezost>it doesn't matter: the source is changed, and when you run "./pre-inst-env guix ..." this modified source is used <suitsmeveryfine>I'm not that used to edit in Emacs where Ctrl+S means search and not save <davexunit>emacs has been around since before C-s meant save <suitsmeveryfine>Sure, but unfortunately I didn't start with the right tools as a kid <suitsmeveryfine>alezost: regarding the keymap -- I learned about it when I installed GuixSD and Parabola <suitsmeveryfine>I tried different Swedish keymaps and se-fi-ir209 happened to be the one that corresponded to the physical keys <alezost>suitsmeveryfine: but where is it mentioned, and why did you think it is suitable for you? <alezost>well, I think it is intended to work as it is <suitsmeveryfine>alezost: I chose it because otherwise I would either get danish letters or the punctuation keys in the wrong places <alezost>suitsmeveryfine: what did you use on other distros? <suitsmeveryfine>again, the issue is not guixsd-specific because it was the same in Parabola <suitsmeveryfine>GuixSD and Parabola are the only distros I've installed from the command line. <alezost>yes, surely, the keymap itself is the same everywhere <alezost>ah, so you didn't use "loadkeys" before, got it <ng0>things can be unlearned and relearned. i find myself hitting c-x-s in all kinds of editors now and c-x-c <rain1>I think a lot of emacs defaults are harmful to human anatomy <davexunit>much more ergonomic. the keyboards in use at the time emacs was originally created had a control key in a similar position. <davexunit>yeah it's easier for everything that wants you to press control <ng0>i have the imaginative goal to try neo2 once more, and that needs capslock for key levels.. but last time was so hard to switch away from decades of qwertz.. <ng0>i can do qwerty, qwertz and some others <suitsmeveryfine>I read a blog post where somebody suggested that one should rebind the right shift key instead, that it would be more ergonomical <ng0>but neo2 was radical different <Jookia>i'm considering trying spacemacs <alezost>suitsmeveryfine: I think this is done so because you can specify several keymaps: "loadkeys se-ir209 se-fi-ir209" <paroneayea>davexunit: I keep trying to convince Morgan to bind caps lock to ctrl but <Jookia>capslock is useful for HEADER_MACROS <alezost>suitsmeveryfine: I also have just learnt it from "man loadkeys" :-) <alezost>our console-keymap-service should be adjusted accordingly (for multiple files) <davexunit>paroneayea: hmm, I guess the key should be optimized for whichever is used most commonly <quiliro>Grafting or graftage is a horticultural technique whereby tissues from one plant are inserted into those of another so that the two sets of vascular tissues may join <quiliro>what does that have to do with guix? <ng0>we should put that in the manual <bavier>quiliro: replacing references to dependencies in a package's output <quiliro>Grafting refers to a surgical procedure to move tissue from one site to another on the body, or from another person, without bringing its own blood supply with it. <davexunit>Jookia: mumble is the missing piece for my gaming setup :) <Jookia>davexunit: i've been compiling/testing doom source ports and other gaming stuff. i think the only thing left is to compile EDGE, package them all then think about how to handle soundfonts <quiliro>now it now is it possible to have openfwwf? <bavier>quiliro: I would do what davexunit suggested and put the package definitions in your system config <bavier>quiliro: at this point, it easy simple to play with your system configuration, since you can always rollback to a previous good configuration <quiliro>ok, isave the log and analize to study what davexunit proposes <paroneayea>though uh... not sure about it appearing from a "Linux Master Race" subreddit as its source. <ng0>quiliro: the log is also in the topic <ng0>or did you mean ypou system log? <paroneayea>which seems to mean that guix package --upgrade won't work. I guess there's no "exclude just this one from upgrade" in guix <ng0>what if you just--fallback -i vlc to build vlc from source? <civodul>paroneayea: there's --do-not-upgrade <quiliro>how can i make usb memory automount on plugin in? <civodul>it's embarrassing that vlc doesn't build, though <paroneayea>civodul: I'm git bisecting guix to find out when vlc stopped building <civodul>paroneayea: i think it's the ffmpeg upgrade in c5e1fcd0aea87e841a8484ce28679d11d602f137 <quiliro>why won't usb memory automount in xfce? <paroneayea>quiliro: you might get it to work by running the gnome-settings-daemon or something. There's probably something gnome'y that does it. <ng0>that might be becuase our gnome is not complete yet <ng0>basic things work, but some things are missing <quiliro>gnome will not let user log out.... only reboot or shutdown <quiliro>paroneayea: how to get the gnome-settings-daemon up? <paroneayea>quiliro: I don't have it running here, so I'm not sure <quiliro>paroneayea: i will try....how to do it? <quiliro>first install with guix package -i gnome-settings-daemon <paroneayea>quiliro: probably add it to the auto-run things in xfce <quiliro>thank you everyone...will keep on testing <quiliro>possibly will come tomorrow to connect <anthk_>about automounting... I think is gvfs