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<goglosh>hai

<goglosh>what is the package I need to connect wpa?

<goglosh>tried guix package -i wpa_supplicant

<goglosh>ooh... nvm

<goglosh>okay now I do have trouble. installed wpa-supplicant but 'command not found'

<goglosh>ACTION comes in breathing heavily

<goglosh>I managed (don't ask me how) to connect wireless

<goglosh>but this thing won't resolve addresses

<goglosh>oh god I made it. feels good. sorry about asking prematurely, leaving, and then just, figuring it out

<civodul>Hello Guix!

<efraim>hi!

<AndChat404481>Hi

<mongrol>r

<AndChat404481>Hi mongrol are you guix developer ?

<mongrol>no

<rekado>Hi AndChat404481

<Steap>AndChat404481: people usually idle here, so don't ask to ask

<AndChat404481>hi rekado hi steap and other, sorry I havent changed my hostname yet. So is there any guix developer online here now ?

<rekado>AndChat404481: I guess you could call me a Guix developer. Do you have questions about the projects?

<alezost>AndChat404481: just ask, if you have a question

<rekado>(or are you just checking if people are online...? ;))

<AndChat404481>I have many question to ask. Just wait a 5 minute more, I must go to toilet.

<civodul>interesting

<AndChat|404481>So there, Im just a intermediate linux user but Im are big fan of fsf. So I heard there is guixhurd under development, is that true ?

<rekado>AndChat|404481: yes, Guix is being ported to the Hurd.

<AndChat|404481>And will it become guixhurdsd in the future ?

<rekado>eventually, you will be able to run a GuixSD system using the Hurd instead of Linux.

<AndChat|404481>Will guix have a gui in the future or next release ?

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<rekado>AndChat|404481: do you mean a GUI for the package manager?

<rekado>we already have an Emacs interface in addition to the command line interface.

<rekado>there also is a minimal web interface, but it provides access to only a tiny subset of all the features of the package manager.

<mkletzan>Yaay! \\o/ I managed to install guix ;-)emacs

<mkletzan>and also type "emacs" in ERC window instead the terminal apparently

<taylanub>:)

<taylanub>ACTION can't wait to use GNU Guix/Hurd with GNU Guile/Emacs running on it :P

<mkletzan>unfortunately it starts into window maker only and I have no idea where the configs are so I can debug why it doesn't start into ratpoison

<rekado>mkletzan: there's an odd bug that changes the session to windowmaker when you mistype the password at the login screen.

<mkletzan>rekado: oh, that might've happened, I forgot to set my passwords the first time

<iyzsong>WindowMaker is used by the 'slim-service' as fallback session, you can override it in the system config or write a ~/.xsession script.

<rekado>iyzsong: can it be removed completely? I find it odd that I have WindowMaker even though I didn't ask for it in my operating-system expression.

<mkletzan>it works now! thanks, that's great

<iyzsong>rekado: well, it's also (mainly) the auto-login command, slim don't choose a default session for auto login, so we have to provide one.

<efraim>gnunet doesn't build because gnurl doesn't build

<efraim>currently gnurl is at 7.37.0 (?), and 7.40.0 fails on the same reason (test 46)

<efraim>gnurl 7.43.0 is missing something so it doesn't compile to begin with

<efraim>gnurl inherits from curl the ability to skip the one test, but I haven't gotten it to work right for me, and disabling all the tests just seems wrong

<efraim>i guess i could leave in the logic and a note for it to be fixed later

<mark_weaver>efraim: gnurl 7.44.0 is needed, I think.

<mark_weaver>after a recent upgrade of something else, curl 7.43.0 failed to build but curl 7.44.0 succeeded. I've forgotten the details.

<efraim>7.43.0 complained about a missing install.sh/install-sh file

<efraim>so that seemed more like a whoops error

<mark_weaver>I have to go now, but I can help with this within a few hours

<mark_weaver>ACTION goes afk

<efraim>thanks mark_weaver

<efraim>here's what I have atm: https://pastee.org/wapwn with lines 42-45 added by me

<mark_weaver>efraim: It should be (zero? (system* ...)) instead of just (system* ...), otherwise errors won't be detected.

<mark_weaver>also, since 'outputs' is not used in the new check phase, you can change "lambda* (#:key ...)" to just "lambda _"

<efraim>thanks

<mark_weaver>efraim: but also, we really need 7.43.0, because 7.40.0 has security flaws

<mark_weaver>(iirc)

<efraim>so i guess i could take a diff of curl 7.43.0 to 7.44.0 and check the gnurl 7.43.0 diff provided and try to meld them

<mark_weaver>efraim: there's a new tarball for gnurl 7.43.0, isn't there?

<efraim>yeah

<efraim>but it fails to build

<mark_weaver>okay. taking the curl-7.44.0 diff and trying to apply it to gnurl-7.43.0 sounds good to me

<mark_weaver>ACTION goes afk again

<civodul>GNUnet doesn't build i'll talk to grothoff since he's around :-)

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<paroneayea>wtf we don't have nethack packaged???

<paroneayea>I must rectify this, I can't give a demo without showing nethack

<paroneayea>what kind of distro would we be :)

<daviid>:)

<goglosh>I'm going to run `guix system reconfigure` but I badly need wpa-supplicant to come in there, how should I declare it in the system file?

<lfam>I see the dmd manual was last updated 2014-07-08. Have there been changes to dmd since then? I'm planning to install GuixSD soon and I'd like to read the docs in advance.

<davexunit>lfam: nothing major AFAIK

<lfam>I know that GuixSD is "alpha" but how much pain am I really in for?

<lfam>on a scale of Ubuntu to LFS

<davexunit>only one way to find out.

<lfam>Fair enough!

<davexunit>I use it daily.

<davexunit>I wish we had GNOME, but things work reliably.

<davexunit>I'd put it more in the "Parabola" category.

<lfam>That would be good for getting users but I won't miss it (never used it)

<taylanub>given how much pain I've had with the Ubuntu installation on a family laptop, your scale is pretty narrow :P

<lfam>Haha, fair enough. You know what I meant ;)

<lfam>On the right hardware everything works out of the box

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<civodul>hey, remi`bd!

<civodul>remi`bd: what are you up to?

<efraim>i see that graphviz can be updated from 2.28.0 to 2.38.0 but a lot of stuff depends on it, including guix

<civodul>efraim: yes but it has to be updated someday anyway :-)

<civodul>so it's fine

<civodul>110 packages depend on it apparently

<civodul>it would be great if at the same time you prepared a second patch that moves its doc to a separate "doc" output

<civodul>since the doc represents more than half of its size

<efraim>a bit more work than "find stuff I have installed so I can update it" but sure

<efraim>:)

<civodul>yeah well, that's bonus :-)

<efraim>hmm, just finished building, it looks like /bin is 60MB and /share is 6.1MB

<civodul>oh?

<civodul>i had noted 10MB for all of Graphviz

<civodul>according to "du -msc"

<efraim>20M on /bin/cluster, 20M on /bin/edgepaint

<efraim>and 20 on /bin/gvmap

<efraim>maybe they're new?

<civodul>edgepaint is new but not the others

<civodul>all of bin/ is less than 2M her

<civodul>*here

<efraim>its almost 11pm here, i'll take another look at it tomorrow

<civodul>sure!

<alezost>almost 11pm here as well :-)

<civodul>heh

<paroneayea>okay, I'm finally feeling excited about my talk

<paroneayea>I think I also included the most boiled down intro to functional programing in here, since I know many people in the audience aren't familiar, and use that to guide towards "so how to we apply this to packaging?"

<davexunit>paroneayea: are we going to get a sneak preview? :)

<paroneayea>davexunit: hm, sure! It's still not done

<paroneayea>also, I decided to throw out "proper presentation" and I'm just going to unfold an orgmode document as I go :)

<davexunit>:)

<paroneayea>I was beating my head against trying to do a nice presentation and I decided, screw it, this is a moderately technical talk, people can survive me unfolding an orgmode tree as a presentation format :)

<civodul>sounds reasonable :-)

<paroneayea> http://dustycloud.org/tmp/guix_talk.org http://dustycloud.org/tmp/guix_talk.html

<paroneayea>there's totally incomplete sections still

<paroneayea>but I finally am in the right groove of writing this thing out

<civodul>yeah nice!

<civodul>i guess you can probably demo the command-line stuff

<civodul>or M-x guix if you have the appropriate audience ;-)

<paroneayea>civodul: I will probably do a demo of M-x guix-all-available-packages and M-x guix-generations

<paroneayea>but I will probably not do M-x guix because I just tried it today and I don't get how to use it yet

<paroneayea>so many options!

<civodul>right :-)

<civodul>i was thinking more of what you suggests actually