<DusXMT>what should I do if guix pull fails? <DusXMT>I tried several times, with 1-2 day waiting times <jmd>DusXMT: I think there was a bug reported yesterday which affected this. Is your git repository up-to-date? <DusXMT>jmd: Hmmm. I guess that's the problem then, I'm using the 0.6 tarball version, going to get the git one <jmd>I've never used guix pull. <jmd>Hydra is so slooooooow ***tschwing_ is now known as tschwinge
<taylanub>OK now who the fuck unset my $USER :P found the reason guix tries to use the default profile <taylanub>Hrm, I start Emacs from a @reboot cron job, it's probably that. <sneek>Welcome back civodul, you have 1 message. <sneek>civodul, daviid says: there must be a way do avoid these warnings though and I'd like to get rid of them <Mathnerd314>civodul: can one pull in nixpkgs from guix? (is guix in a state such that one would want to use guix instead of NixOS?) <civodul>Mathnerd314: the basic answer is "no" <civodul>there are fewer packages in Guix than in Nixpkgs <civodul>and the standalone distro (equivalent of NixOS) is just beginning <civodul>the good news is that you can help! :-) <Mathnerd314>the reasons systemd has for avoiding bash apply just as well to avoiding guile <civodul>i think it avoids Bash mostly because (1) it's not a "programming language", and (2) forking all the time is slow <jmd>sourceforge really is a most annoying site <civodul>Scheme is more expressive and versatile than C, and we don't end up forking like a shell script does <jmd>(unless we call scm_system ) <jmd>I think the point about forking is that most shell scripts have to call external programs to do things, whereas most guile programs do not. <jmd>There are always exceptions of course. <Mathnerd314>yeah. so it's "anything but shell" as opposed to "nothing but C" <Mathnerd314>and Guile can still compile things, so there's not much of a performance hit <civodul>ah yes, systemd is mature, and dmd is not, that's for sure ;-) <civodul>but if we're talking about the general approach, i agree with "anything but shell" <Mathnerd314>hmm, I wonder if I can convince poettering to switch to guile :p <civodul>but i also think that a high-level language like Scheme is preferable over C <jmd>"anything but shell" and "high level" -- then write it in visual basic! <Mathnerd314>"It’s been nagging at me for years,” Stallman told freshmeat news correspondent Jeff Covey, “Why do I keep clinging to lisp? Lisp of all things? I mean, who even writes in lisp any more? Look at all that lisp code the AI community churned out for years and years -- did it get us closer to a machine that’s any smarter than a well-trained bag of dirt? It’s just time to move on.” <jmd>Mathnerd314: Curiously enough, there is one. <taylanub>if by "move on" they mean fall back to even worse languages ... :P <Mathnerd314>jmd: but it's not a GNU project, and probably not maintained <jmd>I believe it is being maintained, and the mailing list shows the devs are talking about applying to become a GNU project (but you are right it is not yet) <jmd>civodul: I seem to have problems building libbonoboui <jmd>Or rather downloading it. <Mathnerd314>jmd: hmm, you are right. I do not think there is any reason to prefer basic to scheme though <jmd>I don't understand why it is trying to download from .../2.2/... <jmd>The source clearly says (string-take version 4) <civodul>jmd: same problem here, for libbonoboui <jmd>it should be trying /2.24/ <jmd>hydra.gnu.org needs its elastic band winding up a bit. <Mathnerd314>diagram now updated with more alternatives such as dmd, guix, etc. <Mathnerd314>I'm going offline, feel free to respond because I'll read the logs <civodul>sneek: later tell Mathnerd314 looks good, but NixOS and Guix actually take care of /etc by themselves; dmd/systemd are just consumers of that <civodul>sneek: later tell Mathnerd314 specifically /etc is mostly a bunch of symlinks to /gnu/store <davexunit>why would someone want to use guix to manage operating system configurations over tools like docker or vagrant? <davexunit>I haven't used either of these tools to know where they overlap with guix. <davexunit>but I can anticipate people asking about the difference <civodul>davexunit: Docker is lower-level, i think <civodul>the comparison is more with Chef and Puppet <civodul>then the technical advantages are as for package management: referential transparency, atomicity, rollback, etc <davexunit>(we use puppet at the FSF, but I haven't used it yet to know what it's really for, maybe we can use guix some day) <civodul>Guix doesn't mention distribution at all at this point though, it takes care of a single machine <civodul>but it can be compared to Puppet in how it allows users to declare a whole machine config <davexunit>I think also FAI (fully automated installation) <civodul>well i think 'guix system init' is sort-of FAI, no? 