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<civodul>youlysses: what's up with the freeglut patch? <viric>I didn't know RMS spoke french. congratulations to him! <Steap>Did you get my latest mail on "Python --install-data" ? I sent it with a mail client I don't know very well, and haven't gotten the message myself <civodul>viric: he's also fluent in Castellano <Steap>might be a stupid question, but how do you run "find" in ~/.guix-profile ? <Steap>It does not seem to follow symlinks <jxself>I think -L will make it follow symlinks? <Geza>I just have tried to setup the new system demo <Geza>And there is a problem with networking, so the guix pull command failes <jxself>I think you need to use dmd to start networking. <Geza>Does anyone had this issue with qemu? <Geza>oh great, and how should I do that? <jxself>I think it's deco start networking? <jxself>Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong. <civodul>Steap: alternately, guile -c '(use-modules (guix build utils)) (for-each display (find-files ".guix-profile" ".*"))' :-) <civodul>Geza: so the command is "deco start networking", as 'root' *civodul goes over the backlog... *youlysse` still really needs to finish kbd.scm for the distro... he can't wait till the end of this week, for one of his classes to be over -- so he can have some freetime to actually do some things! (Like findout why that patch was moving gl.scm to the top-level guix directory, because from what I've seen of it, it shouldn't have. :^/) <civodul>youlysse`: i just checked and the patch does put it in gnu/packages <civodul>so now i wonder why Andreas thought it didn't <youlysse`>Also I tested building on Fedora 20 and Guix fails -- is there any information I should provide, besides which test, to guix-bug? <civodul>youlysse`: yep, i built /nix/store/z3wrp6335a0zjlpa1l8nqms85gp49nbd-freeglut-2.8.1 *civodul feels ashamed for such bad review... <civodul>and /nix/store/9nx51baj2ipcky4pxawjnimwpr3syj5r-ftgl-2.1.3-rc5 <youlysse`>civodul: No probs; I bugged you a lot that day -- a minor inconvenience on my end, with all that I provided you, is not a concern to me. :^) <youlysse`>civodul: Any idea how/if Guix will be able to support logind...? <youlysse`>Right now, it looks as-if it'll be unrunable via DmD ... Consolekit support is needed and is currently unmaintained. <youlysse`>It looks like freebsd and openbsd are trying to get/keep GNOME on their systems, as an option -- so it might be worth looking into if it'd be possible to consolidate efforts into one means of product. <civodul>youlysse`: i don't really know what logind is, and how tied to systemd it is <youlysse`>civodul: It is what's now necessary, or will very-well soon be -- to run GNOME and it's dependent on Systemd. From what I can tell/heard, we'd have to start to maintain/modernize consolekit, in-order to get GNOME working now on older styled init-systems and It's been like 2 years since any big updates to consolekit, so it'd require some work... :^/ <mark_weaver>I haven't looked at the details, but another approach might be to add the necessary functionality to dmd so that logind works with it.. <civodul>yes, if it's a matter of using cgroups so that child processes get killed, that's doable <mark_weaver>systemd seems poised to become dominant in the GNU/Linux world, so it might be important to develop interfaces that are more or less compatible with it. <civodul>we won't go as far as providing its C client libraries or DBus interfaces, i think <civodul>(besides, the more people say it's poised to become dominant, the more it's poised to become dominant ;-)) <mark_weaver>heh, I suppose that's true, but we need to be able to discuss these things :) <handheldCar>will package maintainers have to follow upstream releases and update packages? <mark_weaver>hopefully there won't be too many other packages that require the systemd interfaces, and so we could just patch those individual packages where needed. <civodul>mark_weaver: yes, but we can't really do without GNOME (?), or we'd be doomed to be a geek's thing (??) <civodul>i feel slightly schizophrenic as i write this, since i don't use GNOME <mark_weaver>right. it's just a question of what's the easiest way to make GNOME work with dmd. <civodul>and since i'm somewhat convinced that this is not the right way to emancipate computer users <civodul>handheldCar: are you afraid of being pinged every month if you submit a package? ;-) <mark_weaver>at present, I see GNOME as a sort of "half way house" for newly liberated computer users. <mark_weaver>for example, GNOME 3 is what finally motivated one of my best friends to switch to GNU/Linux from MacOS X, after being an Apple worshipper for his entire adult life. <mark_weaver>but maybe in a year or two he'll be ready to take another step to a different DE. <civodul>we need something like that in GNU/GNOME/GNUstep <civodul>actually GNOME might already have something close to that with JS... <mark_weaver>I'm having trouble getting it to work properly with the ancient version of GNU IceCat I currently have on my home-built Loongson box, but it sounds like a great idea! <mark_weaver>(I'm currently running IceCat 3.6.16, because the last I tried, newer versions needed some patches to work with MIPS N32 ABI) <civodul>the idea is you can point it at a web page and do some kind of visual hacking <youlysse`>xspecs would've been catchier, though via the the xorg context -- more confusing if implemented here... :^U <mark_weaver>I'm actually fairly close to abandoning my home-grown system and switching to Parabola as a springboard toward working on Guix for this box, using the bootstrap binaries cross-compiled from Intel. I can always work on the alternative bootstrap method another time. <mark_weaver>In truth, if there's a Thompson virus in GCC, it has probably already propagated to this homegrown setup anyway. I bootstrapped this system from gNewSense, which came from Debian MIPS, which was probably cross-compiled from Intel. <civodul>packages in these distros are all built by hand by the package maintainer <civodul>so it doesn't have to be as sophisticated as a Thompson virus... <mark_weaver>alternatively, I could bootstrap Guix directly from my homegrown system, but I'm getting an SSL error when trying to run ./bootstrap in guix/ :-( <mark_weaver>yet another thing to debug before I can even get started on Guix hacking... <civodul>is that when ./bootstrap fetches the Git submodule or something? <mark_weaver>and I run into the same problem when trying to git clone from github. <mark_weaver>error: SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK. Details: <mark_weaver>maybe it's as simple as updating my CA certificate store.