<daviid>dsmith-work: hello! I so far did not understand, from what you wrote 'back then' and what i read from you today, what happend, what actually causes/caused the for-each proc, in your exprerience/environment, while porting the scheme part of the bot code to 3.0.4 - what caused for-each to be unbound and how you solve the problem - if you do know, please share, <daviid>dsmith-work: asking because, as you probably did read here, re-exporting the public interface of a module (which merely calls module-use!) does not work in 3.0.4 and either needs to be patched or the code that uses it to be adapted - therefore, I am gathering all knowledge and experience(s) I can from other guilers ... tx <daviid>I probably can fix this, at least I hope I can :), but I am asking for help, so I can focus on other g-golf missing things/features ... if anyone beats me, that would be wonderful - you do need to know quite a bit about module introspection, all these proc/syntax are in (ice-9 boot) - i will paste a super tiny code sample in a sec, so who's interested can reproduce and work on a solution ... ***catonano_ is now known as catonano
<peanutbutterandc>daviid, Mr. David, I am a beginner, who is interested in guile and gtk. But looking at g-golf, it seems that it is a gnome thing.... should I be looking for something else or will g-golf do all gtk thingies too? <peanutbutterandc>also, are there any resources that you would like to recommend for me so that I can, someday, do bright and shiny stuffs with guile? <daviid>peanutbutterandc: g-golf will let you 'play with' any gnome library(ies) that have a so called GObject Introspection typelib, Gtk, WebKitGtk, and many others ... so yes, you may use g-golf to build a gtk app - fy, there is another guile project that will let you dfo that to, called guile-gi <peanutbutterandc>daviid, I see. Now, for a beginner like me, how should I go about learning gtk? Should I first poke around with C, and then go to reading the manuals for g-golf (or guile-gi)? Or should someone like me start from g-golf, etc. ? <daviid>wrt to the last question, maybe others may help - you'd need to be a bit more precise on the kind of app/lib/technology you are interested in though <peanutbutterandc>daviid, I hope to be able to do some GUI extensions to some free software packages, someday (for my non tech-savvy friends who can't use my script-ed extensions) <peanutbutterandc>daviid, GNUCash, in particular. And since it seems to have guile support, I hope that I will be able to write an add-on-like thingy that will plug-in to it (?) <daviid>peanutbutterandc: i would read the 'Basic' part of the Gtk manual, and ask here for ome help when you need some ... there are a few g-golf users here, not many but better then none :) - and i can paste a few tiny example to get you start with <peanutbutterandc>daviid, I see... Thank you very much. I will do just that then. GTK manual first and then g-golf. tiny examples would be great help, too. <daviid>peanutbutterandc: ah, gnucach actually doesn't use g-golf - it uses guile as an extension, but the gui part is in C, afaict - the gnucach 'guile maintainer' is here, chrislck is there nick in this channel <peanutbutterandc>daviid, Hmmm..... I see. Well, I am a beginner. And a 'freetard'. And because guile seems to be available to gnucash. And because g-golf seems to make gtk thingies available in guile, and because I am not that well-versed in C, I was hoping I'd be able to write the plug-in in guile <peanutbutterandc>even if that is not possible... I'll just have a new skill up my sleeve... and in scheme, too! <daviid>peanutbutterandc: if you wan't to try g-golf, the first thing is to install :), we may help you here as well - what distro are you using? <peanutbutterandc>daviid, Linux Mint. But I have guix. And I have seen g-golf in guix, too. (: <peanutbutterandc>I will go read those stuffs that you told me to, and then will guix install it sometime today (hopefully) <daviid>if you're using guix, there is a package - I must warn you that g-golf is beeing actively devloped, and in a so called 'experimental' stage <peanutbutterandc>daviid, Thank you very much. I have saved it. And it does look quite neat. I wonder if I could find the same thing in guile-gi somewhere, for comparison... <daviid>peanutbutterandc: also, make sure you read the 'Using G-Golf', 'Before you start' [the user manual is largely incomplete, but what is there is good and will help you, i hope] <daviid>peanutbutterandc: you should try the guile-gi website, it has a manual or a wiki, i don't remember - i can't help much about guiler-gi i am afraid, not that i wouldn't want to, it's just that i don't know <roelj>How would I define a symbol from C, so that I can do scm_is_eq (<parameter passed as SCM>, <my-self-created-symbol>);? <leoprikler>brendyyn: g-golf and guile-gi have made different design decisions <leoprikler>the former is (almost?) purely Scheme, whereas the latter has quite a sizable C extension <leoprikler>the former uses <library>-<class>-<short-name>, whereas the latter uses <class>-<short-name> <leoprikler>the latter exposes accessors and signals as methods, which can lead to a lot of confusion <leoprikler>the former is in the process of being made compatible with Guile 3, whereas the latter (supposedly) already has that <leoprikler>And the latter troublingly has some bugs, that only manifest themselves on Guix (related to the greater GI_ troubles there) <peanutbutterandc>sneek, tell daviid: I tried to take a quick poke at running the hello-world g-golf script and then ran into the following issues: 1. g-golf isn't guile3.x ready yet. worked around that issue using: `guix environment --ad-hoc guile@2.2.7 g-golf` but then encountered 2. this error: https://termbin.com/myt5 (I also had to make a small change to how the script itself was called: https://termbin.com/cjds ) Thought you might like the reports. P.S: I <sneek>daviid:, peanutbutterandc says: I tried to take a quick poke at running the hello-world g-golf script and then ran into the following issues: 1. g-golf isn't guile3.x ready yet. worked around that issue using: `guix environment --ad-hoc guile@2.2.7 g-golf` but then encountered 2. this error: https://termbin.com/myt5 (I also had to make a small change to how the script itself was called: https://termbin.com/cjds ) Thought you might like the rep <peanutbutterandc>sneek later tell daviid I tried to take a quick poke at running the hello-world g-golf script and then ran into the following issues: 1. g-golf isn't guile3.x ready yet. worked around that issue using: `guix environment --ad-hoc guile@2.2.7 g-golf` but then encountered 2. this error: https://termbin.com/myt5 (I also had to make a small change to how the script itself was called: https://termbin.com/cjds ) <leoprikler>peanutbutterandc: you need gtk+ in your environment and adjust GI_TYPELIB_PATH <peanutbutterandc>leoprikler, lol I knew I was doing something wrong. Thank you very much. That makes much more sense. I am a n00b. Sorry for the inconvenience. <peanutbutterandc>sneek, later tell daviid sorry false alarm `guix environment --ad-hoc guile@2.2.7 g-golf gtk+` worked just great (thanks to leoprikler for pointing my foolish mistake). Shiny! <leoprikler>the guile-gi recipe in Guix is broken, use the one from upstream <rekado_>do we have a bug report about guile-gi in Guix? <leoprikler>The upstream recipe differs heavily from that being used in Guix, specifically w.r.t. inputs, so I think it would need a bit more review <rekado_>peanutbutterandc: with my changes I can enter an environment containing guile guile-gi and gtk+. Is there anything else I need to do to reproduce the error? <rekado_>the good news is that it doesn’t crash <rekado_>the bad news is that it doesn’t seem to do what it’s supposed to <leoprikler>rekado_: That is a typical GI_ env-related issue, that you only see in Guix <leoprikler>Try using a pure environment and exporting XAUTHORITY as well as XDG_* <rekado_>with this I get In procedure connect: Wrong type argument in position 1 (expecting open file port): #<<GtkButton> 7f0f98c66500> <leoprikler>hmm, guile-gi should provide a connect override for GObjects <leoprikler>(connect button print-hello) → (connect button clicked print-hello) <rekado_>to summarize: I patched the definition of guile-gi, ran ./pre-inst-env guix environment --pure --ad-hoc guile guile-gi <rekado_>then ran export XAUTHORITY=/run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority <rekado_>and then ran the application with guile this.scm <rekado_>when clicking the button it prints “Hello World” <rekado_>I’ll push my patches to the guile-gi package definition <dsmith-work>sneek: later tell daviid I never got to the bottom of the mising for-each issue. I assumed it was some interaction with the way bobot++ was messing with modules. I just used srfi-1 and moved on. ***terpri__ is now known as terpri
<dsmith-work>str1ngs: So let me get this straight, You want to use map. You use-modules some other module that uses srfi-1, and that makes your access to the core map go away? ***hugh_marera_ is now known as hugh_marera
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