<guile-guest2>Hi, is there something like substring but for lists? Something like this (sublist '(1 2 3 4 5) 1 3) => (2 3 4) <nalaginrut>thanks letsencrypt, nalaginrut.com has https now <rekado>there is this programme called "axoloti patcher" which is used to generate patches for the axoloti board. <rekado>it generates C code, which is then sent off to GCC and uploaded to the board via USB. <rekado>since the programme needs JavaFX, which the latest release of OpenJDK does not include, I'd like to rewrite this in Guile. <rekado>it's boxes with simple custom widgets and ports that can be connected to one another. <amz3>I know no toolkit with such widget pre-built <rekado>maybe guile-clutter would work here? <amz3>yes, maybe, I mean it should... but I did not advance my project enough with clutter to be sure <amz3>yes in principle clutter does work <amz3>if you want to compile clutter use git <amz3>sorry: if you want to compile guile-clutter use git <daviid`>rekado: i don't think it will be possible to draw the connection between the ports/boxes as i see them on the screen shot <rekado>or maybe I shouldn't bother with a GUI and try to build the important parts in Guile first :-/ <daviid`>rekado: drawing the boxes [as i see them] would be easy [relatively], but animating them [the sound waves ...] will be hard because we still miss bindings for/with clutter timelines and threads, so refreshing an actor canvas [cairo drawings would be done this way] is not possible with our current bindings <daviid`>rekado: I really wish we had these too, help welcome :) <daviid`>rekado: will ganv allow you animation? <rekado>I don't think it will. I'm not familiar with GTK widgets --- maybe I could embed an animatable canvas in a widget? <rekado>The animations are very simple; they are just plots of signal over (sampled) time. <daviid`>rekado: no matter how easy they are, we need clutter timeline and clutter threads bindings to acheive [unless, maybe, if very few objects, you destroy recreate .. hacky messy :) <daviid`>but #clutter is sleeping I think, tomorrow i'll post it again [no bot, no log on #clutter ...] <daviid`>rekado: on the axoliti UI, can a user spin these 'mini clock' i see in each box? <rekado>yes, they are dials like potentiometers on hardware. <rekado>they can be controlled via the GUI or via MIDI. <rekado>there's also libgtkflow, which might work for me. <daviid`>that would require some non trivial work as well <rekado>libgtkflow seems to allow embedding of input widgets. <rekado>(they may look nice but I find them unpredictable in most audio software) <daviid`>rekado: that would be easy [see the toolbar example, which responds to a series of keybord inputs...] <daviid`>rekado: if you could think about some other way to show the ports/patches/boxes connections, if keyboard inputs are ok to change/spin, no sound wave animation to start with, then guile-clutter may fit. it would actually be a lot more beautifull in the end, if that matters ... but if if if ... <daviid`>rekado: I already have the drag and drop drag and drop is not a problem, it is in clutter itself and i have a working example [not posted yet], so you can click within an actor and drag till the other ... the problem is to draw/represent these connections afterwards, in a clear and easy way for the user ... <daviid`>oops, to mny drag and drop :) drop the 'I already have the drag and drop drag and' and read it again :) <rekado>daviid`: I'd rather keep the ports/patches/boxes representation. <dsmith-work>wingo: The update to master over the weekend fixed the make check on 32bit. <wingo>dsmith-work: oh that's good! <turbopape>I've read somewhere guile targeted JavaScript, <daviid>wingo: heya! please ping me when you fixed bug#20093, because I feel like I'm punished to have to still use 2.0 when all of you are having fun in 2.2 :) <davexunit>turbopape: that WIP javascript backend did not use emscripten <davexunit>turbopape: it was google summer of code project <turbopape>do you have any ilnk to it ? I am interested in having a scheme on JS <turbopape>may well develop mine, but would be nice to have something to start from... <turbopape>(I am a bit frustrated by clojurescript... too JVM and too GOOG.closure) <turbopape>there is some cool work done on JS AST, etc...(EStree, babel) <turbopape>should be pretty possible to have a JS implementation... <davexunit>turbopape: I don't know where the source code is for it <davexunit>and the developer hasn't been around in many months now <turbopape>okay, maybe I'll have to play with it by myself then... <turbopape>Where I can see the implementation of 'define-syntax' in guile's source? I'm looking for inspiration for it... <davexunit>turbopape: just grep the source code, I don't know exactly where it is <davexunit>wingo: I can't remember, did the 2.1.1 release have the floating point optimizations? <davexunit>trying to get a guix depenency graph for a project of mine to use the new guile so I can measure performance improvements. <davexunit>I'll have to make a guix package that builds from the latest commit in master <daviid>rekado, my 2c: should you really go on with your project of rewritting Axoloti UI using guile, I did think about it and I'm personally now that guile-clutter is a good option, if not the best, even though at the moment it lacks clutter timeline and threads bindings, which I hope to cover sometime in the future. If you proceed with some experiment(s), I'd be happy to help, et me know <rekado>daviid: hmm, I fear that I would spend too much time on the GUI if I went for clutter. It's probably too low-level. I'm lazy and would like to concentrate on the important piece of compiling patches for the target board. <rekado>libgtkflow looks like I won't need to think too much. <daviid>rekado: I actually think it will be easier using guile-clutter, then we don't have bindings for libgtkflow, which besides needs gtk3 and we currntly only support gtk2 ... so exit guile scheme on this route ...? <davexunit>damn it. just spent hours compiling guile master with guix only to have the derivation fail because it couldn't build the manual (forgot to add texinfo to build env) <rekado>daviid: oh, no guile bindings for gtk3? I did not know. <daviid>rekado: even if we had, imo clutter and therefore even more guile-clutter is far more approrpiate for your project then gtk <daviid>rekado: all you need [I would help with that] is to build a series of actors specific to this music domain patches, boxes ... but from the UI screenshot I can see there are just a few, is that correct? <rekado>I don't know how many there are. Boxes can be created by users by grouping primitives. <rekado>I haven't used the programme yet, because I don't have javafx. <rekado>this has to be flexible enough to create new boxes with little effort. <rekado>daviid: I'll think about it. Maybe clutter is the right thing to use after all. <rekado>I'll first play with the axoloti sources and try to figure out what needs to be done to make it work for me. <amz3>libgtkflow screenshot is nice, I think I can do it, no promise attached <amz3>btw the stamps on FSF mails are awesome :) ***Guest79065 is now known as micro`
