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<amz3>karhunguixi: yes it's only shadows for the current scope

<amz3>for instance you do something like (define map string-map) in a module, if you don't import that bindings in another module map will be vanilla map

<amz3>mind the fact, that the old map is not erased, just shadowed

<amz3>you can do something like (define old-map map) and then (define map string-map)

<amz3>old-map will be the new name of 'map procedure'

<karhunguixi>i'm struggling a bit to understand what is going on here. "(define old-map map)" does this make a new map called old-map?

<paroneayea>karhunguixi: it creates a new variable which points to our original map procedure

<karhunguixi>ok, and "(define map string-map)" redefines the map procedure as string-map, right?

<karhunguixi>i'm off, thanks for all your help

<davexunit>good evening, guilers.

<nalaginrut>morning guilers~

<nalaginrut>seems fencepost is done?

<nalaginrut>down

<mark_weaver>nalaginrut: not for me

<mark_weaver>I'm logged into it now

<mark_weaver>and I just logged in again successfully

<nalaginrut>Could not connect to fencepost.gnu.org: Host lookup failed: fencepost.gnu.org: Name or service not known

<nalaginrut>alright, I have to figure it out...

<nalaginrut>ok, I started dnsmasq, then it works now

<nalaginrut>mark_weaver: thanks ;-)

<mark_weaver>nalaginrut: np!

<amz3>héllo :)

<thorwil>hi!

<artyom-poptsov>Hello everybody

<nalaginrut>migration works, with scaffolding

<amz3>ACTION doing unit tests

<amz3>I pushed a small documentation for wiredtigerz, a small set of procedures to help work with wiredtiger

<amz3> http://hypermove.net/reference-api-guile-wiredtigerz.html

<amz3>I should use it to in the soon to be written article about the "search engine"

<amz3>I should use it in the soon to be written article about a "search engine"

<nalaginrut>amz3: should I support wiredtiger?

<amz3>nalaginrut: no :)

<nalaginrut>amz3: or it's better you write a dbd for guile-dbi

<amz3>I mean, I'll figure it

<amz3>I don't know guile-dbi, I think it's only for rdbms

<amz3>how do you plan to support Redis or memcached for instance?

<nalaginrut>guile-dbi saved lot of the work, although there still be much work for DB, MVC/RM/Migration

<nalaginrut>fortunately, there're almost done

<nalaginrut>s/there/they

<amz3>you have specific drivers for them?

<nalaginrut>amz3: I want to support nosql, but don't have time for this release

<amz3>of course

<nalaginrut>I must release 0.1 end of the year, unnecessary to be delay

<nalaginrut>you can find many enhancement/fix before you want to release

<nalaginrut>so as RMS said, hold your horses...

<mbuf>nalaginrut, would it be possible to remove the animation in http://hypermove.net/reference-api-guile-wiredtigerz.html, it is distracting when reading the text

<amz3>mbuf: it's me

<amz3>huhu

<mbuf>amz3, okay

<amz3>I'll try to do something about it

<nalaginrut>amz3: html5?

<amz3>mbuf: resize the window it will disappear

<amz3>nalaginrut: yes, html video :>

<amz3>anyway you get use it, I mean I got use to it

<amz3>mbuf: are you interested in wiredtiger?

<mbuf>amz3, just want to start with guile

<amz3>this can be an option, a good option compared to SQL since you write all the code in guile, but be aware that errors in configs are not checked

<amz3>mbuf: I wrote this http://hypermove.net/do-it-yourself-a-search-engine-in-scheme-guile.html

<amz3>it's only the beginning but there is bunch of guile code

<mbuf>amz3, will go through your blog posts

<mbuf>amz3, is there a place to see available guile libraries?

<mbuf>amz3, or modules

<amz3>the mailling list is a good place to watch for new release https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/guile-user/

<amz3>There is a list on the website https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/gnu-guile-projects.html#Core

<amz3>there is also https://github.com/ijp/guildhall/wiki/Getting-Started

<amz3>I personnaly rely on guix and search engine

<nalaginrut>amz3: the guile projects list is bit dated, I think it'll be refreshed when we have a new main page...

<mbuf>amz3, nalaginrut thanks!

<nalaginrut>hope you're happy when playing guile ;-)

<lloda>I would remove 1+ and other acquired-taste practices from the tutorial :/

<nalaginrut>maybe it's useful when we have AOT, it could be helpful to generate 'inc' instruction, just guessing... '

<nalaginrut>;-P

<artyom-poptsov>FWIW, just come across this image that compares relation between problem complexity and fun value in Haskell and Bash: https://github.com/mikeplus64/fun.sh/blob/master/funsh.png

<artyom-poptsov>I think the graph for Guile would be simiar to Haskell.

<nalaginrut>ACTION is compiling master with -j8 from 15:00 till now...

<nalaginrut>ah, done

<lloda>remember to clear your compilation cache, otherwise the new Guile may segfault weirdly (happened to me yesterday)

<nalaginrut>nice, it abort when loading colorized repl...

<nalaginrut>lloda: how to clear?

<lloda>rm -rf ~/.cache/guile/ccache/

<nalaginrut>alright, my bad, I should install guile-colorized again

<atheia>Morning Guile!

<nalaginrut>morning

<nalaginrut>artanis works fine with the master again

<nalaginrut>ACTION is so glad

<taylan>nalaginrut: Guile already optimizes (+ 1 x) to (1+ x), so using (+ 1 x) in code is fine. (IIRC we already have a VM instruction for 1+.)

<taylan>(+ x 1) too of course

<nalaginrut>taylan: nice to know that ;-)

<nalaginrut>hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

<nalaginrut>I believe MVC+migration works fine now, the design is finalized, just need to fix some bugs before release

<nalaginrut>well, and documentation...

<rekado>Could Guile's bytecode be further compiled to native instructions by GCC?

<davexunit>no.

<taylan>ISTR a brief mention of possible future use of GCC's new JIT feature but I don't know what it takes as input

<rekado>davexunit: "no" == "never"?

<davexunit>GCC is too different.

<davexunit>Scheme has special needs.

<davexunit>I asked about this awhile ago.

<davexunit>brb

<rekado>well, GCH compiles Haskell from a minimal language to native code; and each binary includes the fancy runtime.

<davexunit>haskell is a static language

<rekado>why would this matter?

<rekado>chicken scheme compiles to C, which can then be compiled to native code.

<davexunit>I don't know the details.

<davexunit>I just know that it won't work.

<davexunit>wingo or mark explained to me once, but I don't remember specifics.

<taylan>AFAIK Chicken only works because they use the "Cheney on the MTA" strategy, which requires one to structure the whole Scheme implementation around that, so to say

<taylan>to get tail calls and to be able to use the stack as a heap for young objects, IIRC

<rekado>yesterday I learned about the propeller chip (P8X32A), an 8 core 32 bit microcontroller with a hardware design under GPL. I'd love to be able to use a subset of Scheme to programme this fellow.

<taylan>hmm, why 64b in this time? (assuming it's new?)

<taylan>does anyone know what ijp is up to?

<taylan>rudybot last saw him 13 weeks ago and his last github commit is from 14 weeks ago

<davexunit>yeah he's been radio silent

<davexunit>I hope nothing bad happened.

<amz3>yes, I hope he was not too much under pressure to achieve the gsoc

<amz3>actually, I'm thinking about droping my current project and try something simpler

<amz3>and more useful

<daviid>I liked that funsh.png, a good idea to cook something similar and publish on our new website, maybe [not me though :) overloaded already]

<daviid>wrt gule-lib, anyone can help me to translate this to posix compliant automake code? I set -Werror in configure.ac now, and this does not pass:

<daviid>depfiles=$(addprefix $(top_srcdir)/src/,$(shell test ! -f $(doc)scmfiles || cat $(doc)scmfiles))

<daviid>the code is here, line 18: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guile-lib.git/tree/doc/docs.mk

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