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<civodul>:-)
<civodul>what happened to dsmith?
<ijp>good question
<davexunit>what is snuggle? I'm trying to build guile-sdl
<civodul>something by ttn :-)
<civodul>a portability layer, no?
<ijp>snuggle has a really terrible recursive acronym
<ijp>I suppose that is redundant
<davexunit>it's a dependency for guile-sdl
<davexunit>wanted to try it out
<davexunit>now I'm on the hunt for snuggle
<ijp>ttn's stuff is horrible for incestuous dependencies
<ijp>davexunit: http://www.gnuvola.org/software/snuggle/
<davexunit>it's an annoying dependency
<davexunit>thanks, ijp
<ijp>anyway, guile-sdl isn't exactly great
<ijp>I think I was getting core dumps in one of the tests last time I used it
<davexunit>ah, lame.
<davexunit>well I won't bother with it tonight then.
<ijp>and the api hasn't changed for about a decade
<davexunit>guile could use a game library like pygame.
<davexunit>figl exists for the graphics stuff, but there's still all the other bits.
<davexunit>looking at the pygame source, they use a C library to wrap up all the SDL stuff.
<ijp>davexunit: what's the easiest way (in general) of displaying & updating an array of pixels?
<davexunit>if we're talking opengl here, you don't really draw invidual pixels, you'd want that array to be in a format that opengl understands and use it to make a texture.
<ijp>well, I'm not wedded to a particular technology. It was just for some simple drawing tasks
<davexunit>if software rendering is fine, SDL is easy :)
<davexunit>and widely used
<davexunit>bindings for pretty much every language (except guile's sucks, I guess)
<davexunit>a fun library similar to pygame might attract some people to guile... but there's that whole issue of having to write the code.
<ijp>I don't really remember guile-sdl giving you access to the pixels for a surface
<davexunit>hmmm
<davexunit>wish I had a better answer for you
<davexunit>I just don't know
<ijp>"Although the interfaces are documented, they are permanently alpha, that is, subject to change w/o notice." <- wtf? why would you even do that
<davexunit>is that in the guile-sdl docs?
<ijp>well, one particular part of it
***janneke1 is now known as janneke
<janneke>morning guilers!
<dsmith>Hey hey
<civodul>Hello Guilers!
<tupi>geiser rocks! [too, of guile simply rocks]
<civodul>yes it does! :-)